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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8377074" data-attributes="member: 16814">Show where it says you can!&nbsp; Your argument is selective -- you're arguing that the GM having the ability to make rulings means you're in the rules but counter arguments are not.And, I've said that if you just want to do this, that's fine.&nbsp; It's the argument that it's obvious that any creature would be extra-attentive to where the hiding PC is such that they, for free, get to apply disadvantage to the next DEX(stealth) check or that they get advantage to their next WIS(Perception) check that's flawed -- this is not anything but a very narrow look at possibilities and not at all something you have to get to via a look at the situation.&nbsp; That's what I'm arguing against -- the assertion that this is obvious and bettererest than other options.He directly says that my approach leads to a &quot;mechanistic&quot; game and that this isn't real roleplaying or storytelling.&nbsp; Here's the quote, in the post you put your like on:&quot;Now, technically the game allows it, so if you want to play a purely technical game, have fun as much as you want, but don't pretend that it's roleplaying or storytelling at this stage.&quot;You liked a post that 1) admits that the rules allow for this and 2) then says that it's not even roleplaying if you do it.&nbsp; If you want more context, feel free to go get it.&nbsp; Here's the link to the post: <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/rogues-cunning-action-to-hide-in-combat.682064/page-13#post-8376581" target="_blank">D&amp;D 5E - Rogue's Cunning Action to Hide: In Combat??</a>Also, I challenge you to quote me telling anyone my way is the only way, or even a better way.&nbsp; I'm very careful to put any such qualifiers as only in relation to my own gaming.&nbsp; My current way is better than my previous way, for me.&nbsp; That was an example.I suppose it's easy to just assign me as a one-true-wayer -- makes it easier to dismiss anything I have to say.&nbsp; You should examine this for personal animus rather than a coherent position, though.Well, they do, until something changes. But, given the context, you are correct that you do not get to make a single hide check and remain hidden despite changing conditions.100% true.&nbsp; Never argued otherwise.Yup.&nbsp; So, then, what are you arguing against with regards to my position, because you haven't gotten to anything different, yet.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8377074, member: 16814"] Show where it says you can! Your argument is selective -- you're arguing that the GM having the ability to make rulings means you're in the rules but counter arguments are not. And, I've said that if you just want to do this, that's fine. It's the argument that it's obvious that any creature would be extra-attentive to where the hiding PC is such that they, for free, get to apply disadvantage to the next DEX(stealth) check or that they get advantage to their next WIS(Perception) check that's flawed -- this is not anything but a very narrow look at possibilities and not at all something you have to get to via a look at the situation. That's what I'm arguing against -- the assertion that this is obvious and bettererest than other options. He directly says that my approach leads to a "mechanistic" game and that this isn't real roleplaying or storytelling. Here's the quote, in the post you put your like on: "Now, technically the game allows it, so if you want to play a purely technical game, have fun as much as you want, but don't pretend that it's roleplaying or storytelling at this stage." You liked a post that 1) admits that the rules allow for this and 2) then says that it's not even roleplaying if you do it. If you want more context, feel free to go get it. Here's the link to the post: [URL="https://www.enworld.org/threads/rogues-cunning-action-to-hide-in-combat.682064/page-13#post-8376581"]D&D 5E - Rogue's Cunning Action to Hide: In Combat??[/URL] Also, I challenge you to quote me telling anyone my way is the only way, or even a better way. I'm very careful to put any such qualifiers as only in relation to my own gaming. My current way is better than my previous way, for me. That was an example. I suppose it's easy to just assign me as a one-true-wayer -- makes it easier to dismiss anything I have to say. You should examine this for personal animus rather than a coherent position, though. Well, they do, until something changes. But, given the context, you are correct that you do not get to make a single hide check and remain hidden despite changing conditions. 100% true. Never argued otherwise. Yup. So, then, what are you arguing against with regards to my position, because you haven't gotten to anything different, yet. [/QUOTE]

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