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<blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8377091" data-attributes="member: 7032025">That's what you have been talking about, but what I've been talking about is that he might very well have failed, because the circumstances were against him. But even if he succeeded, see below.There are many sentences around stealth, in particular the one that says that you can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly. If you pop out to attack from behind a pillar while a creature is watching that pillar, you are not hidden, even before you make your attack. Simple, clear and absolutely in line with the RAW.Because, as with almost everything in these rules, there is no absolute answer for all situations. And even if you gain all the benefits from being hidden, you will lose them as soon as you are no longer hidden.Being hidden does not allow you to attack through a pillar, and does not even allow you to see on the other side of the pillar either. You have to at least peek around, and pop something out to attack.While I agree that, if the target does not know that you are there, is not watching your hiding place, and is generally involved in combat, as a DM I will of course say that the target does not see you clearly, you do not lose the fact that you are hidden and you can use the &quot;unseen attacker benefit&quot;.But if you have made it obvious that you have hidden there already, that you went back to the same place, and there is nowhere else to hide, and the target is watching the pillar, he will see you clearly as soon as you pop out just to see your target, but you will no longer be hidden, and will not benefit from the unseen attacker, as you have been seen, clearly.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Lyxen, post: 8377091, member: 7032025"] That's what you have been talking about, but what I've been talking about is that he might very well have failed, because the circumstances were against him. But even if he succeeded, see below. There are many sentences around stealth, in particular the one that says that you can't hide from a creature that can see you clearly. If you pop out to attack from behind a pillar while a creature is watching that pillar, you are not hidden, even before you make your attack. Simple, clear and absolutely in line with the RAW. Because, as with almost everything in these rules, there is no absolute answer for all situations. And even if you gain all the benefits from being hidden, you will lose them as soon as you are no longer hidden. Being hidden does not allow you to attack through a pillar, and does not even allow you to see on the other side of the pillar either. You have to at least peek around, and pop something out to attack. While I agree that, if the target does not know that you are there, is not watching your hiding place, and is generally involved in combat, as a DM I will of course say that the target does not see you clearly, you do not lose the fact that you are hidden and you can use the "unseen attacker benefit". But if you have made it obvious that you have hidden there already, that you went back to the same place, and there is nowhere else to hide, and the target is watching the pillar, he will see you clearly as soon as you pop out just to see your target, but you will no longer be hidden, and will not benefit from the unseen attacker, as you have been seen, clearly. [/QUOTE]

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