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<blockquote data-quote="jayoungr" data-source="post: 8377292" data-attributes="member: 6702445">I'm not restricting it to just those two situations.&nbsp; They were examples of ridiculous stunts that the hiding rules don't give you license to try.To keep from going round in circles any more than we already are, let me turn the question back to you:&nbsp; What is an example of a situation where you would rule that the rogue cannot hide because he is in plain sight?&nbsp; Yes, but according to what you're saying, the rogue will never be able to attack while hidden, because the act of making the attack involves leaving cover.&nbsp; So, how can the rogue be said to gain the benefits of being an unseen attacker (which he should get, by RAW)?That sounds reasonable to me, but earlier (in post #300) you said you would run it differently and not allow the benefits of being hidden at all.Why not?&nbsp; It costs the rogue's bonus action and requires a successful stealth check every round, and it can be negated by a change in positioning of enemies.&nbsp; You think that's too powerful?But as it stands, rogues don't automatically get Sneak Attack damage every round.&nbsp; Only if they don't use their bonus action for anything else, and only if they hide successfully.&nbsp; Your version is noticeably more powerful.&nbsp; You're also conflating halfling rogues with all rogues, since your original comment was about halflings specifically.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="jayoungr, post: 8377292, member: 6702445"] I'm not restricting it to just those two situations. They were examples of ridiculous stunts that the hiding rules don't give you license to try. To keep from going round in circles any more than we already are, let me turn the question back to you: What is an example of a situation where you would rule that the rogue cannot hide because he is in plain sight? Yes, but according to what you're saying, the rogue will never be able to attack while hidden, because the act of making the attack involves leaving cover. So, how can the rogue be said to gain the benefits of being an unseen attacker (which he should get, by RAW)? That sounds reasonable to me, but earlier (in post #300) you said you would run it differently and not allow the benefits of being hidden at all. Why not? It costs the rogue's bonus action [i]and[/i] requires a successful stealth check every round, and it can be negated by a change in positioning of enemies. You think that's too powerful? But as it stands, rogues [i]don't[/i] automatically get Sneak Attack damage every round. Only if they don't use their bonus action for anything else, and only if they hide successfully. Your version is noticeably more powerful. You're also conflating halfling rogues with all rogues, since your original comment was about halflings specifically. [/QUOTE]

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