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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lyxen" data-source="post: 8377774" data-attributes="member: 7032025">What happens when you succeed at the hide check, is that you are unseen at that point in time. But as the section on unseen attacker points out, you only get the benefit of having advantage IF you are still unseen when you make the attack. The RAW only says that he will get the benefit of advantage IF he is unseen when making the attack. The RAW certainly does not say that he will get the benefit just because he took the hide action at some point in the past. There is no functional difference, the rogue is just usually better (expertise, reliable talent) and quicker (Cunning action) at doing it, which increases his chances of success even when doing something that most people would consider stupid.Then it's up to the DM to decide. He might say that whirling a swing would reveal your location when firing from a bush, whereas just squeezing the trigger on a pre-loaded crossbow does not. It's all about imagining yourself in the situation, whether the bush is really dense or not, for example, whether you are completely in the middle of it or in an area where branches and leaves are less thick.Again, no rules can allow for all of this, but a clever player immersing himself in the world will make a good narrative out of it.</blockquote>