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<blockquote data-quote="Remathilis" data-source="post: 5923729" data-attributes="member: 7635">Ok, so our halfling rogue has effectively six trained &quot;skills&quot; which he gets a bonus to:Open LocksFind/Remove TrapsStealthAnimal HandlingCommerceFolkloreThe latter three come from his &quot;commoner&quot; background and aren't related to his rogue talents. Compared to even our BD&amp;D/AD&amp;D thieves, that doesn't seem very &quot;skilled&quot;. Where's Pick Pocket? Climb Walls or Read Languages? Moving on to 3e, I see no Bluff, Tumble, Escape Artist, etc.Now, I realize a number of things rogues used to get as skills (climb, jump, listen, search, gather info etc) are rolled into generic Str/Dex/Wis/Cha checks, but I think I'd like to see the rogue (esp with the thief scheme) have more trained skills in the traditional eight Thief skills (PP, OL, F/RT, MS, HS, DN, CW, RL) or some of 3e's additions (Bluff, Tumble, etc). Esp since Skill Mastery only works with trained skills.On a related note: Why is trap REMOVAL now tied to wisdom (or implied to be)? Surely Dexterity for removal...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Remathilis, post: 5923729, member: 7635"] Ok, so our halfling rogue has effectively six trained "skills" which he gets a bonus to: Open Locks Find/Remove Traps Stealth Animal Handling Commerce Folklore The latter three come from his "commoner" background and aren't related to his rogue talents. Compared to even our BD&D/AD&D thieves, that doesn't seem very "skilled". Where's Pick Pocket? Climb Walls or Read Languages? Moving on to 3e, I see no Bluff, Tumble, Escape Artist, etc. Now, I realize a number of things rogues used to get as skills (climb, jump, listen, search, gather info etc) are rolled into generic Str/Dex/Wis/Cha checks, but I think I'd like to see the rogue (esp with the thief scheme) have more trained skills in the traditional eight Thief skills (PP, OL, F/RT, MS, HS, DN, CW, RL) or some of 3e's additions (Bluff, Tumble, etc). Esp since Skill Mastery only works with trained skills. On a related note: Why is trap REMOVAL now tied to wisdom (or implied to be)? Surely Dexterity for removal... [/QUOTE]

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