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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Kobold Stew" data-source="post: 6215350" data-attributes="member: 23484">I clicked too weak, for three reasons, but that's not quite right for the problems that I have with the current implementation of the Rogue. 1. Niche. The rogue's niche of skill-monkey (something that makes the niche enjoyable to play, for me at least) is currently not doing well. Once the Bard hits level 3 (and Expertise kicks in), Bardic Knowledge makes them a better skill monkey that the Rogue (and with no limit on skill selection).2. Builds. Currently, the play test only allows Dexterity builds. Previous packets have been more diverse, and I expect the diversity to return, but the range of effective available builds is lower here than it has been previously (where strength and charisma builds were actively supported), and that makes the rogue less compelling to play (again, for me).3. Backgrounds. The implementation of extra skills in the Rogue (and Ranger and Bard) is flavourless. I'd prefer to see the extra skills come in the form of a second background (possibly chosen from a limited list, if restrictions are needed). That was in the very first test pack, and it helped make compelling stories. If re-implemented, it would allow (a) all classes only to grant one skill, except with a specific class ability and (b) the rogue to have an extra background as a class ability, perhaps not at first level to avoid the problem of 1-level dips.None of these, essentially, are about combat. I expect the rouge to be a bit behind in combat, and to need to work to be effective (through sneak attack). But I'd like to see the rogue strengthened out-of-combat, and to be more dynamic in the other pillars of the game.(In terms of play, I've not sensed particular strengths or weaknesses in combat, but we've not done much levelling -- mostly one-offs at various levels.)</blockquote>

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