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<blockquote data-quote="tarchon" data-source="post: 1500552" data-attributes="member: 5990"><p>If that were true, it would be a very simple grammar, but Mandarin syntax is vastly more complex than that. I've only had a year of university level Mandarin, but STPVO sentences are maybe the first 4 weeks of class, and that's not really a very good model to begin with (Ss and Os don't work quite the way they do in English, and, come to think of it, Ts, Ps, and Vs don't either). I've studied close to 20 languages and Mandarin impresses me as having one of the wilder syntactic jungles among them.</p><p></p><p>Re another question, Q and CH (and X and SH) are both used because the sounds really are different in some dialects . Many English speakers just can't hear the difference because much of it depends on a phonetic feature that doesn't occur in English.</p><p>They could be viewed as allophones, but some very significant dialects make CH into C while maintaining the distinction between Q and C, so it makes sense to use separate symbols for them if only to accomodate the variation in local versions of Mandarin.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="tarchon, post: 1500552, member: 5990"] If that were true, it would be a very simple grammar, but Mandarin syntax is vastly more complex than that. I've only had a year of university level Mandarin, but STPVO sentences are maybe the first 4 weeks of class, and that's not really a very good model to begin with (Ss and Os don't work quite the way they do in English, and, come to think of it, Ts, Ps, and Vs don't either). I've studied close to 20 languages and Mandarin impresses me as having one of the wilder syntactic jungles among them. Re another question, Q and CH (and X and SH) are both used because the sounds really are different in some dialects . Many English speakers just can't hear the difference because much of it depends on a phonetic feature that doesn't occur in English. They could be viewed as allophones, but some very significant dialects make CH into C while maintaining the distinction between Q and C, so it makes sense to use separate symbols for them if only to accomodate the variation in local versions of Mandarin. [/QUOTE]
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