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<blockquote data-quote="Water Bob" data-source="post: 5745681" data-attributes="member: 92305">My advice:&nbsp; Go with an earlier edition of the game.&nbsp; I have found, starting around 3rd edition D&amp;D, mechanics have become prominent.&nbsp; There is a dice throw for everything, official, in the rules.&nbsp;Try going with the 1E AD&amp;D rules.&nbsp; It's much less &quot;I roled a 17...what do I know?&quot; and more about the give and take between GM and player.&nbsp; Players had to ask questions.&nbsp; GMs answer with description.&nbsp; Remove a lot of the dice rolling, and the game lends itself better to role playing.&nbsp;It's just a better rule structure in which to RP.&nbsp;Example....&nbsp;A simple situation where two characters are standing in a field and they hear howl--maybe an animal howl.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In 3E+, the DM may secretly (or not so secretly) throw a Listen check for both PCs to see if either heard the howl.&nbsp;Let's say that one did.&nbsp; The player will say, &quot;I want to see if I recognize the animal....I'll roll on my Knowledge (Nature) skill.&quot;&nbsp;And, the game proceeds, sometimes rather dryly, under similair parameters.&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;In a 1E AD&amp;D game, the DM probably won't bother with a Listen check.&nbsp; If he does, it's a modified version of the character's Listen at Doors check, because there is no standard roll for hearing things.&nbsp;This leads to a strictly role-play situation with the GM describing what the PCs hear, see, feel, smell, and touch, while the players react to that.&nbsp;The rules of the game encourage more roleplaying--because there are less dice throws built into the game--than in 3E+.&nbsp;In order to take advantage of that, change your game version to one of the earlier rule sets.&nbsp;You'll definitely get more role playing out of it.&nbsp; And, when a players says, &quot;Does my character recognize the type of animal that would make that kind of how, you'll reply with description instead of out-right telling the players what their characters hear.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Water Bob, post: 5745681, member: 92305"] My advice: Go with an earlier edition of the game. I have found, starting around 3rd edition D&D, mechanics have become prominent. There is a dice throw for everything, official, in the rules. Try going with the 1E AD&D rules. It's much less "I roled a 17...what do I know?" and more about the give and take between GM and player. Players had to ask questions. GMs answer with description. Remove a lot of the dice rolling, and the game lends itself better to role playing. It's just a better rule structure in which to RP. Example.... A simple situation where two characters are standing in a field and they hear howl--maybe an animal howl. In 3E+, the DM may secretly (or not so secretly) throw a Listen check for both PCs to see if either heard the howl. Let's say that one did. The player will say, "I want to see if I recognize the animal....I'll roll on my Knowledge (Nature) skill." And, the game proceeds, sometimes rather dryly, under similair parameters. In a 1E AD&D game, the DM probably won't bother with a Listen check. If he does, it's a modified version of the character's Listen at Doors check, because there is no standard roll for hearing things. This leads to a strictly role-play situation with the GM describing what the PCs hear, see, feel, smell, and touch, while the players react to that. The rules of the game encourage more roleplaying--because there are less dice throws built into the game--than in 3E+. In order to take advantage of that, change your game version to one of the earlier rule sets. You'll definitely get more role playing out of it. And, when a players says, "Does my character recognize the type of animal that would make that kind of how, you'll reply with description instead of out-right telling the players what their characters hear. [/QUOTE]

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