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Message: <blockquote data-quote="UngainlyTitan" data-source="post: 5362152" data-attributes="member: 28487">I think you have a point but overstated it. I think that 3e still has archtypes just not as strong as earlier versions of D&D I would also say that while 4e weakened the multiclassing system and strengthened the archtypes the number of base classes available in 4e makes the class archetypes not as strong as in earlier D&D ( though here I would add I was away for the 2e era so I really do not know is this observation applies in that case)I would agree that Rolemaster has a lot of influence in the design of 3.x but I do not believe that the roll back from loose class archtypes to more defined archtypes is the main cause of complaints. Some of the complaints are of that type, some are because 4e invalidates earlier published material. Also in my opinion there are complaints that are in effect about the loss of dominance of the Cleric, wizard, druid triad. Some complain about the split between the rules the players operate under comapred to the DM.</blockquote>