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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Imaro" data-source="post: 5362533" data-attributes="member: 48965">I guess my take on this is that I feel 3e was very much an evolution from the previous iteration of AD&D... 2e. Regardless of whether one liked the direction or not... 2e with it's Skills & Powers, Combat Options, etc. at the end, had already firmly placed itself as going in the direction of 3e. I believe 3e refined the rules with the d20 system and may have even taken this direction further than 2e by applying these customization rules to monsters... but I don't see 3e as having veered off in a direction D&D wasn't already headed in. I also think that 3e, like 2e before it, also maintained the classic campaign settings and feel of AD&D and even made Greyhawk (arguably the first campaign setting) as it's default setting, all of this made 3e "feel" more like D&D, than 4e did to me. IMO, 4e seems to be D&D that was specifically designed for people who didn't like D&D... See I tend to think there were people who enjoyed many of the tropes (alignment, LG paladins, rangers with magic abilities, Vancian magic, the Great Wheel, The Blood War and so on) that made D&D... well D&D. Perhaps they didn't like all of them (but then again if they had continued playing D&D for years, as opposed to something else, they probably had found ways to deal with those things that did bother them without messing up the things they liked), but that didn't mean they wanted everything stripped out or changed. To me 4e is the edition that stripped out or changed a multitude of mechanics and D&D tropes to make a new D&D game... This might have worked better if they had perhaps taken the past and kept most of it but tweaked... Something like new BSG vs. old BSG... but I feel like what we ended up with is more akin to Star Trek DS9 vs. Star Trek the Next Generation.... yeah it's got some familiarities and similarities... but they're not so much an evolution since they are outside of cursory trappings... pretty much different shows at heart.  YMMV of course, since it really is all oppinion.</blockquote>

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