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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 8486391" data-attributes="member: 42582">What I mean is that the likelihood that doing X will achieve Y often depends on who it is that doing X.Eg the likelihood that running fast will catch the animal depends on who is doing the running (many people run more quickly than I do, for instance).The likelihood that proposing to the king that I would be a suitable spouse for his daughter will have the king agree is going to depend, in part, on who makes the proposal (eg I was recently at a house auction and the auctioneer was very good at his job and I think as a result probably got an extra few thousand at least for the vendors; conversely one time when I successfully bid at an auction I was helped by the fact that the auctioneer was not very good at drumming up bids).Do you mean better way within the context of 5e D&amp;D's PC build and resolution framework? Or better way in general for RPGing?If the former, you're probably right. The absence of a better way is one reason I don't play 5e D&amp;D.If the latter, then I think you're obviously wrong. It's trivial to design a RPG that, for instance, will give weight to the fact that it is Kirk who is trying to persuade the king, that doesn't depend simply on the GM forming a view as to whether or not the player's words or deeds are persuasive enough.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 8486391, member: 42582"] What I mean is that [I]the likelihood that doing X will achieve Y[/I] often depends on who it is that doing X. Eg the likelihood that [I]running fast will catch the animal[/I] depends on who is doing the running (many people run more quickly than I do, for instance). The likelihood that [I]proposing to the king that I would be a suitable spouse for his daughter [/I]will have the king agree is going to depend, in part, on who makes the proposal (eg I was recently at a house auction and the auctioneer was [i]very[/i] good at his job and I think as a result probably got an extra few thousand at least for the vendors; conversely one time when I successfully bid at an auction I was helped by the fact that the auctioneer was not very good at drumming up bids). Do you mean [I]better way within the context of 5e D&D's PC build and resolution framework[/I]? Or [I]better way in general for RPGing[/I]? If the former, you're probably right. The absence of a better way is one reason I don't play 5e D&D. If the latter, then I think you're obviously wrong. It's trivial to design a RPG that, for instance, will give weight to the fact that it is [I]Kirk[/I] who is trying to persuade the king, that doesn't depend simply on the GM forming a view as to whether or not the player's words or deeds are persuasive enough. [/QUOTE]

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