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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Swarmkeeper" data-source="post: 8486431" data-attributes="member: 6921763">You continue to mischaracterize the play at our table.  You see that, right?Again, no one is asking for permission to do anything at our table.  The players are simply stating what their characters are doing in the fiction - and if there is any lack of clarity, the DM asks for more info.  Period.  If what their characters are doing has some uncertainty around success or failure, and there is a meaningful consequence for failure, the DM calls for an ability check.  That's it.  Sound familiar?I've already explained.  Players don't just roll uncalled ability checks at our table so there is no former or latter for me to discuss.I'm discussing what was stated.  If you have more questions that would help clarify how I would handle that specific, narrow scenario., let me know.</blockquote>