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Message: <blockquote data-quote="clearstream" data-source="post: 8500528" data-attributes="member: 71699">So why the fervent disagreement!? Game provides structure to the RP. Implying that the structure of game has a relationship with the structure of RP.What RPG in fact forgoes them? You may have RP, but not RPG.That's incorrect. It's the dissonances and lacunae I notice in enthusiastic claims that lead me to question. Debate on whether games might be a new form of non-linear narrative is not settled. If games are a form of narrative, they might narrate in ways that are different from preexisting mediums.I can't tell if you agree with me or not that RP+G is distinct from RP - ie that G has some consequence for RP - because you seem so determined to find fault and disagree.What ways do games produce narrative? Approach that as a question about games, and not stories.The question I have in mind is whether it is possible to separate rules from pieces the way Baker supposes? You've raised objections to points that haven't been argued for.Whether your figure exactly matches your character is beside the point. Just as it is missing the point to say that there is much about a character that isn't on the sheet.Once the figure is conferred with the property of a token in the game system, or once the character sheet has an XP track that matters, I am interested in the productive flow between them. Does it matter that one game relates the figure to this and that other component? How do the rules address the figure?If you think these are settled questions then you may like to read more of the literature on games.Yes, I was aiming to do that... but distractions abound.I'm not interested in telling stories with a few bits and pieces of game as conveniences. I'm interested in how stories might emerge from game as game. If you and [USER=82106]@AbdulAlhazred[/USER]  cannot see the possibility of this, then it is not my aim to persuade you.</blockquote>

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