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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Lanefan" data-source="post: 8505590" data-attributes="member: 29398">That's just it: failure isn't possible if the DM never says no.Therefore, whenever failure is possible out should come the dice.Well of course the players are going to agree nothing's at stake whenever they can as it's in their better interests to do so!Situation: a burglary job that looks like it requires at least 5 different climbs (outer wall, in and out; house wall, in and out; slippery sloping roof) and a fair degree of stealth.Hidden situation: the PCs have lucked out in that there's nobody home tonight, meaning that within reason they can get away with being fairly unstealthy.The 15' outer wall is fairly easy on the outside and dirt simple on the inside; the only hazard is a low spiked fence along the top.  The 30' house wall is tricky but manageable.  The sloping roof is very hard because rain has made it slick.The way I see it as a DM, regardless of the ease/difficulty of climb or the hidden fact that there's nobody home each of those five climbs should be rolled for simply due to the fact that a fall is likely going to hurt (i.e. ablate some h.p.) and that losing some hit points now could have consequences later either via use of healing resources or of not being at full pop if something goes wrong. There's also the question of how the PCs will react if someone falls noisily; sure there's nobody home, but the PCs don't know that and until they do (if ever) why not keep the tension high?As a player, though, I'll happily agree if the DM says the outer wall doesn't need a roll in either direction and the house wall only needs one (to get up, getting down is automatic) because it's in my interests.If I-as-player know my character can automatically succeed at something I'm going to do it far more often than if I-as-player know success isn't guaranteed (assuming the character has the same degree of knowledge in the fiction).</blockquote>

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