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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8505783" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>This confuses me. I provided details for resolution in a prior thread, and you disclaimed all of those as pointless because you needed a goal to determine if a roll was needed at all, because the goal would tell you what consequences were meaningful, I recall. So, I backed up and gave you goals. I honestly felt that the third one would get dismissed (again, I chose it because it was a purely internal goal and not an external one) as not sufficient, but you chose to engage them. Don't put this choice on me -- if you assumed everything was stipulated or that you had to treat these as requiring checks, that was your assumption. I didn't propose this at all, and was instead backing up to the point where you insisted I had to start. Given that you felt entirely free to invent new details for all of them (and told me so more than once), I'm really struggling to understand how you're now telling me this now. You certainly didn't appear at all constrained in your responses by any established fiction, and told me you felt you had to establish such fiction because it wasn't present.</p><p></p><p>This is an odd pathway to insist that the blame here is mine.</p><p></p><p>No, I had no consequences at all in mind. I was trying to elicit how you imagined "meaningful consequences" originated. My initial attempt revolved around questioning the fictional inputs into a check, but you disclaimed these and insisted on needing a larger picture. I complied. I didn't have any consequences at all in mind -- it was investigating how you did things. The answers were rather confusing, though, even given this claim here -- the first directly engaged the goal provided, the second tangentially did by introduction of new fiction not present in the goal but mostly just saying no progress, and the last didn't engage the goal fiction at all and went all in on no progress. So, yeah, still not understanding what you're asserting is clear, because your answers were not clear.</p><p></p><p>I put my questions about specific narrations as asides. I've been consistent in my questioning of the results as I just stated above -- they were a mishmash of using a check to resolve fiction that wasn't an input into the check and also a generous helping of no progress hidden under some narration that didn't really change the situation.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8505783, member: 16814"] This confuses me. I provided details for resolution in a prior thread, and you disclaimed all of those as pointless because you needed a goal to determine if a roll was needed at all, because the goal would tell you what consequences were meaningful, I recall. So, I backed up and gave you goals. I honestly felt that the third one would get dismissed (again, I chose it because it was a purely internal goal and not an external one) as not sufficient, but you chose to engage them. Don't put this choice on me -- if you assumed everything was stipulated or that you had to treat these as requiring checks, that was your assumption. I didn't propose this at all, and was instead backing up to the point where you insisted I had to start. Given that you felt entirely free to invent new details for all of them (and told me so more than once), I'm really struggling to understand how you're now telling me this now. You certainly didn't appear at all constrained in your responses by any established fiction, and told me you felt you had to establish such fiction because it wasn't present. This is an odd pathway to insist that the blame here is mine. No, I had no consequences at all in mind. I was trying to elicit how you imagined "meaningful consequences" originated. My initial attempt revolved around questioning the fictional inputs into a check, but you disclaimed these and insisted on needing a larger picture. I complied. I didn't have any consequences at all in mind -- it was investigating how you did things. The answers were rather confusing, though, even given this claim here -- the first directly engaged the goal provided, the second tangentially did by introduction of new fiction not present in the goal but mostly just saying no progress, and the last didn't engage the goal fiction at all and went all in on no progress. So, yeah, still not understanding what you're asserting is clear, because your answers were not clear. I put my questions about specific narrations as asides. I've been consistent in my questioning of the results as I just stated above -- they were a mishmash of using a check to resolve fiction that wasn't an input into the check and also a generous helping of no progress hidden under some narration that didn't really change the situation. [/QUOTE]
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