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<blockquote data-quote="Ovinomancer" data-source="post: 8505812" data-attributes="member: 16814"><p>The "upbraiding" actually started after you started telling me to reread PHB pg 6 as if it was an answer to the points I was making. It wasn't, and I showed why -- you skipped that loop in your answer. I didn't start there, and I've remained consistent that my overall points about your choices there were that you insisted that "no progress" was not a valid answer unless it provided meaningful consequences on it's own and that you had to have an overall goal to be able to tell if meaningful consequences were present. I gave overall goals. You provided consequences, however, and I reiterate, those consequences were very clearly in the last case no progress with no other consequence. In the second case, it was also no progress, with some added fiction that didn't really land any consequences either. If anything the additional fiction existed to establish an additional problem with the scenario by introduction of a rival, but didn't really introduce any new complications to the failure (unless you're going to assert that the rope, guide, and rival would not be present on a success and only exist due to the failure?). Only the first really engages the goal's fiction with a consequence that isn't no progress.</p><p></p><p>The later points that the resolutions you provided didn't really follow the basic play loop was after you reasserted it as a clear defense saying that the results were clearly from following the play loop and so didn't need examination.</p><p></p><p>You're doing an awful lot of blaming me for your assumptions and for the directions of discussion that you introduced and I responded to as if I introduced it. I have been addressing your claims, as you claim them.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Ovinomancer, post: 8505812, member: 16814"] The "upbraiding" actually started after you started telling me to reread PHB pg 6 as if it was an answer to the points I was making. It wasn't, and I showed why -- you skipped that loop in your answer. I didn't start there, and I've remained consistent that my overall points about your choices there were that you insisted that "no progress" was not a valid answer unless it provided meaningful consequences on it's own and that you had to have an overall goal to be able to tell if meaningful consequences were present. I gave overall goals. You provided consequences, however, and I reiterate, those consequences were very clearly in the last case no progress with no other consequence. In the second case, it was also no progress, with some added fiction that didn't really land any consequences either. If anything the additional fiction existed to establish an additional problem with the scenario by introduction of a rival, but didn't really introduce any new complications to the failure (unless you're going to assert that the rope, guide, and rival would not be present on a success and only exist due to the failure?). Only the first really engages the goal's fiction with a consequence that isn't no progress. The later points that the resolutions you provided didn't really follow the basic play loop was after you reasserted it as a clear defense saying that the results were clearly from following the play loop and so didn't need examination. You're doing an awful lot of blaming me for your assumptions and for the directions of discussion that you introduced and I responded to as if I introduced it. I have been addressing your claims, as you claim them. [/QUOTE]
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