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<blockquote data-quote="wayne62682" data-source="post: 3860563" data-attributes="member: 40455">First of all, I am a powergamer; I admit it.&nbsp; I come up with a concept that I like, and then I spend time poring over sourcebooks looking for feats/spells/whatever that helps out my concept and makes me good at it.&nbsp; I plan &quot;builds&quot; from 1-20th level, although I allow myself a tiny bit of leeway to change things (never much though.&nbsp; Most of it is set in stone).&nbsp; I do not speak in a funny accent when I role-play, and I don't enjoy role-playing every minuscule conversation with barmaids and blacksmiths.&nbsp; I only enjoy role-playing in situations that are interesting.That said, however, this discussion doesn't seem to be about powergaming vs. role-playing.&nbsp; The real discussion seems to be &quot;What is roleplaying&quot;.&nbsp; Obviously, &quot;role-playing&quot; means different things to different people.&nbsp; In the OP's case, the player in question probably thought he WAS role-playing.&nbsp; The OP, used to more, does not.&nbsp; I can see where the player is coming from, as that's the definition of role-playing that I usually use, and how I &quot;role-play&quot; my characters.The solution is to talk with the player and make some suggestions to improve role-playing.&nbsp; Don't say it as though &quot;You aren't role-playing, and I want you to start&quot; but more along the lines of &quot;I like what you're doing, you can improve it by doing xyz&quot;.&nbsp; But don't dismiss the notion that because someone is a powergamer, they can't role-play.&nbsp; That's invoking a well-known fallacy.This post I find offensive.&nbsp; A style that you don't agree with isn't wrong.&nbsp; Powergamer isn't badwrongfun no more than doing amateur theater and talking in a different accent for every NPC the party meets is badwrongfun.&nbsp; To dismiss a playstyle as nonsense and make a comment that all powergamers shouldn't play D&amp;D but stick to WoW is, quite frankly, vulgar and rude, and has no place here.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="wayne62682, post: 3860563, member: 40455"] First of all, I am a powergamer; I admit it. I come up with a concept that I like, and then I spend time poring over sourcebooks looking for feats/spells/whatever that helps out my concept and makes me good at it. I plan "builds" from 1-20th level, although I allow myself a tiny bit of leeway to change things (never much though. Most of it is set in stone). I do not speak in a funny accent when I role-play, and I don't enjoy role-playing every minuscule conversation with barmaids and blacksmiths. I only enjoy role-playing in situations that are interesting. That said, however, this discussion doesn't seem to be about powergaming vs. role-playing. The real discussion seems to be "What is roleplaying". Obviously, "role-playing" means different things to different people. In the OP's case, the player in question probably thought he WAS role-playing. The OP, used to more, does not. I can see where the player is coming from, as that's the definition of role-playing that I usually use, and how I "role-play" my characters. The solution is to talk with the player and make some suggestions to improve role-playing. Don't say it as though "You aren't role-playing, and I want you to start" but more along the lines of "I like what you're doing, you can improve it by doing xyz". But don't dismiss the notion that because someone is a powergamer, they can't role-play. That's invoking a well-known fallacy. This post I find offensive. A style that you don't agree with isn't wrong. Powergamer isn't badwrongfun no more than doing amateur theater and talking in a different accent for every NPC the party meets is badwrongfun. To dismiss a playstyle as nonsense and make a comment that all powergamers shouldn't play D&D but stick to WoW is, quite frankly, vulgar and rude, and has no place here. [/QUOTE]

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