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<blockquote data-quote="Clavis" data-source="post: 3861047" data-attributes="member: 31898">Some clarification of my position.A player who creates a mechanically strong character, with a complete personality that is role-played well, is not a powergamer. They are a Good Player. It is not knowledge of the rules and the ability to apply them that makes someone a powergamer. Nor is it a simple preference for playing strong characters. In fact, as a DM I like it when good role-players players create mechanically strong characters, because it increases my options for creating scenarios, and therefore makes the game more fun for me.Powergamers, on the other hand, are the people who get no joy out of anything but creating super-powerful characters to pretend to kill things with. Ask them to role-play, and they'll tell you their character is a silent killer. They're the kind of players who have their characters attack other PCs, who refuse to interact with NPCs on any but the most juvenile level, and who refuse to accept any limits on their character's powers due to the campaign and story.Perhaps some people will think I am confusing &quot;powergamer' and &quot;munchkin&quot; There does seem to be a move to &quot;re-claim&quot; the historically derogatory term &quot;powergamer&quot;. Remember, if you role-play well, even if you create a mechanically very strong characters, I don't mean you when I say &quot;powergamer&quot;. Even if you self-identify as a &quot;powergamer&quot;, I am not referring to you when I use the word. I am referring to the anti-social jerks and bullies that chase people out of our hobby. The Original Poster appears to be dealing with just such a player.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Clavis, post: 3861047, member: 31898"] Some clarification of my position. A player who creates a mechanically strong character, with a complete personality that is role-played well, is not a powergamer. They are a Good Player. It is not knowledge of the rules and the ability to apply them that makes someone a powergamer. Nor is it a simple preference for playing strong characters. In fact, as a DM I like it when good role-players players create mechanically strong characters, because it increases my options for creating scenarios, and therefore makes the game more fun for me. Powergamers, on the other hand, are the people who get no joy out of anything but creating super-powerful characters to pretend to kill things with. Ask them to role-play, and they'll tell you their character is a silent killer. They're the kind of players who have their characters attack other PCs, who refuse to interact with NPCs on any but the most juvenile level, and who refuse to accept any limits on their character's powers due to the campaign and story. Perhaps some people will think I am confusing "powergamer' and "munchkin" There does seem to be a move to "re-claim" the historically derogatory term "powergamer". Remember, if you role-play well, even if you create a mechanically very strong characters, I don't mean you when I say "powergamer". Even if you self-identify as a "powergamer", I am not referring to you when I use the word. I am referring to the anti-social jerks and bullies that chase people out of our hobby. The Original Poster appears to be dealing with just such a player. [/QUOTE]

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