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<blockquote data-quote="Brother MacLaren" data-source="post: 3527180" data-attributes="member: 15999">A bit more math to illustrate just how &quot;average&quot; a 7 Cha is:Suppose you have 3 characters competing on Cha-based checks -- Bluff, Diplomacy, or let's say Perform (Dance).&nbsp; Their skill ranks are equal, but their Cha varies.Rico Suave has a +2 Cha modifier (14 or 15).&nbsp; Joe Average has a +0 Cha modifier (10 or 11).Grumpy the Dwarf has a -2 cha modifier (6 or 7).Going head-to-head in a dance-off, Joe will beat Rico 37.5% of the time and Grumpy will beat Joe 37.5% of the time.&nbsp; Grumpy will beat Rico 30% of the time.&nbsp; In a 3-way dance-off, Grumpy beats both Joe and Rico 18.5% of the time.That's if you're actually rolling dice.&nbsp; If Rico just takes 10 and does his usual routine, he gets a 12.&nbsp; Grumpy can tell his usual routine won't cut it, so he busts out some moves and takes a risk (rolls rather than Taking 10).&nbsp; He has -- just as before -- a 30% chance to beat Rico (he needs to roll a 15 or better, since a tie goes to Rico).&nbsp; Beating the &quot;average&quot; guy 3 out of 8 times, and beating the &quot;good&quot; guy 3 out of 10 times, is not all that bad.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Brother MacLaren, post: 3527180, member: 15999"] A bit more math to illustrate just how "average" a 7 Cha is: Suppose you have 3 characters competing on Cha-based checks -- Bluff, Diplomacy, or let's say Perform (Dance). Their skill ranks are equal, but their Cha varies. Rico Suave has a +2 Cha modifier (14 or 15). Joe Average has a +0 Cha modifier (10 or 11). Grumpy the Dwarf has a -2 cha modifier (6 or 7). Going head-to-head in a dance-off, Joe will beat Rico 37.5% of the time and Grumpy will beat Joe 37.5% of the time. Grumpy will beat Rico 30% of the time. In a 3-way dance-off, Grumpy beats both Joe and Rico 18.5% of the time. That's if you're actually rolling dice. If Rico just takes 10 and does his usual routine, he gets a 12. Grumpy can tell his usual routine won't cut it, so he busts out some moves and takes a risk (rolls rather than Taking 10). He has -- just as before -- a 30% chance to beat Rico (he needs to roll a 15 or better, since a tie goes to Rico). Beating the "average" guy 3 out of 8 times, and beating the "good" guy 3 out of 10 times, is not all that bad. [/QUOTE]

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