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<blockquote data-quote="Cadfan" data-source="post: 4658124" data-attributes="member: 40961">1. If a class can have any non combat role it wants, and a class can have any combat role it wants, what, precisely, is the class contributing?&nbsp;2. The statement that defenders all function as defenders and can't be anything else is... ridiculous.&nbsp; Its &quot;assume that the person you are talking to isn't taking this seriously&quot; ridiculous.&nbsp;I think that, rather than talk in generalisms that are just going to make people think for half a second and declare false, you might want to give an actual example of a character that you can't build in 4e, but that you should be able to build.&nbsp; That means, not a character who's concept is &quot;fights just as well as a fighter but heals as well as a cleric,&quot; because that's just dumb and unbalanced.&nbsp; And not a character who's concept is &quot;has class X but also has a specific power from class Y.&quot;&nbsp; Go with general concepts.&nbsp; Like, a Fighter who, like a Striker, fights like a dervish, slipping through the battlefield and striking multiple foes.&nbsp; Oh, wait!&nbsp; That's the default setup for a heavy blade fighter.&nbsp; You know what I mean though.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadfan, post: 4658124, member: 40961"] 1. If a class can have any non combat role it wants, and a class can have any combat role it wants, what, precisely, is the class contributing? 2. The statement that defenders all function as defenders and can't be anything else is... ridiculous. Its "assume that the person you are talking to isn't taking this seriously" ridiculous. I think that, rather than talk in generalisms that are just going to make people think for half a second and declare false, you might want to give an actual example of a character that you can't build in 4e, but that you should be able to build. That means, not a character who's concept is "fights just as well as a fighter but heals as well as a cleric," because that's just dumb and unbalanced. And not a character who's concept is "has class X but also has a specific power from class Y." Go with general concepts. Like, a Fighter who, like a Striker, fights like a dervish, slipping through the battlefield and striking multiple foes. Oh, wait! That's the default setup for a heavy blade fighter. You know what I mean though. [/QUOTE]

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