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Message: <blockquote data-quote="tyrlaan" data-source="post: 4663205" data-attributes="member: 20998">If someone has to go so far to play a character that can generate light as to interpret someone holding a torch as "no, really, that's my light spell" (in my opinion) there is something wrong.Which brings me to the following point: Doesn't it ring odd to anyone the amount of house-ruling that is needed to support the "non-standard" character concept examples people are mentioning in this thread? How much do you have to house-rule a fighter that uses a bow in 3rd ed? How about in 4th? What about a cleric of thievery with spells of deception? What about a thuggish rogue that uses brute strength instead of cunning dexterity to deliver his attacks?</blockquote>