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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Mark CMG" data-source="post: 5735785" data-attributes="member: 10479">I've DMed a group that would have their fighter carry a lot of potions because he could step in and heal with them and take a hit while doing so.  (He was also the least likely to becomed encumbered by the stores of minor items they had collected.)With the right protection spells, a wizard can stand up in the front line if necessary, but of course you're not discussing if a wizard can fill another role, you're discussing if the best role for him is somewhere else and if the rules of some systems make it so suboptimal to fill another role that it is beyond worth trying.  That's seems to be precisely Rich Baker's point.I played in a group that had no fighters and used three clerics (brothers) act as the front line of melee defense quite effectively.  It was a sort of religion vs religion campaign where our temple was often at odds with other temples.But, again, you seem to be arguing both sides of Rich Baker's premise in alternate posts.  Is it that you are seeing his point?</blockquote>