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<blockquote data-quote="Vyvyan Basterd" data-source="post: 5740363" data-attributes="member: 4892"><p>Well, I'd talk about house-ruling but I don't enjoy it myself and it always seems to invoke an even stronger negative reaction than reskinning.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>It models the Fighter <em>mechanically</em>. The Fighter can copy its <em>mechanics</em>. The concept drives the look of that 18 STR Fighter from buff pro-wrestler body to scrawny geek. That's it. It requires no rules adjustments. I understand this may not be a satisfactory answer to some, but when its seems those that are unwilling to reskin are also unwilling to house rule, then it seems unreasonable to me to expect the designers of the game to cater to all your wants in the game.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I can only speak to my own preferences. I prefer to offer consistency most of the time to the players. But, since their characters are in the bright spotlight, I have no issue with breaking expectations for a unique concept. Exception-based design speaks directly to rules, not concepts.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I would hope few tables would have a problem with a player choosing Barbarian and choosing to be from a civilized city. Anything else outside of special campaigns would be too restrictive for my tastes.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p><em>No matter what table</em>? Then you say certain groups. I'm confused by alot of what you and Imaro are saying. I'm arguing the absoluteness that the two of you are projecting. If you're dealing in less than absolutes then I have only a matter of scope to argue. And since I only have anecdotal evidence of the tables I've played at and their expectations, that endeavor would be pointless.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I've said multiple times I think both you and Imaro have great ideas and I hope WotC continues to work towards these goals. But I also like working with the current toolset to see what I can make work for me. And I enjoy sharing my ideas with others. You and Imaro may think my ideas are crap, but I'm sure some think their gold, while others just wish we'd all just shut up.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I think I do. Hopefully I've gotten mine across as well and don't come off as discussing dishonestly.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Vyvyan Basterd, post: 5740363, member: 4892"] Well, I'd talk about house-ruling but I don't enjoy it myself and it always seems to invoke an even stronger negative reaction than reskinning. It models the Fighter [I]mechanically[/I]. The Fighter can copy its [I]mechanics[/I]. The concept drives the look of that 18 STR Fighter from buff pro-wrestler body to scrawny geek. That's it. It requires no rules adjustments. I understand this may not be a satisfactory answer to some, but when its seems those that are unwilling to reskin are also unwilling to house rule, then it seems unreasonable to me to expect the designers of the game to cater to all your wants in the game. I can only speak to my own preferences. I prefer to offer consistency most of the time to the players. But, since their characters are in the bright spotlight, I have no issue with breaking expectations for a unique concept. Exception-based design speaks directly to rules, not concepts. I would hope few tables would have a problem with a player choosing Barbarian and choosing to be from a civilized city. Anything else outside of special campaigns would be too restrictive for my tastes. [I]No matter what table[/I]? Then you say certain groups. I'm confused by alot of what you and Imaro are saying. I'm arguing the absoluteness that the two of you are projecting. If you're dealing in less than absolutes then I have only a matter of scope to argue. And since I only have anecdotal evidence of the tables I've played at and their expectations, that endeavor would be pointless. I've said multiple times I think both you and Imaro have great ideas and I hope WotC continues to work towards these goals. But I also like working with the current toolset to see what I can make work for me. And I enjoy sharing my ideas with others. You and Imaro may think my ideas are crap, but I'm sure some think their gold, while others just wish we'd all just shut up. I think I do. Hopefully I've gotten mine across as well and don't come off as discussing dishonestly. [/QUOTE]
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