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<blockquote data-quote="pemerton" data-source="post: 5752230" data-attributes="member: 42582">I've GMed modules with NPCs described as paladins - Jaryn, the fallen paladin in Heathen, and duergar paladins of Asmodeus - and they haven't been built following the NPC builds in the DMG.I think the designers adopt a slightly looser approach here.(Other examples would be Paldemar and the gnoll leader in H2, who are a wizard and a warlock respectively, but don't strictly follow the DMG NPC build rules.)Yes, these are build rules. But I don't know that they draw distinctions in the gameworld. That is, I'm not sure that in the gameworld there is a ficitonal difference between a LG STR paladin of Bahamut and a LG STR cleric of Bahamut.&nbsp;Yes.Probably this too. They produce a lot of text, and I think they expect individual groups to do their own thing with it to some extent at least.I agree that the classes are designed to push in the sorts of ways you describe (crafty hunters, clever rogues etc). The utility powers also tend to support this. But I don't think there is anything in the mechanics-fiction relationship that would prevent a player trying to build against type. Whereas a warlock PC is of necessity, in the fiction, a pact-maker.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="pemerton, post: 5752230, member: 42582"] I've GMed modules with NPCs described as paladins - Jaryn, the fallen paladin in Heathen, and duergar paladins of Asmodeus - and they haven't been built following the NPC builds in the DMG. I think the designers adopt a slightly looser approach here. (Other examples would be Paldemar and the gnoll leader in H2, who are a wizard and a warlock respectively, but don't strictly follow the DMG NPC build rules.) Yes, these are build rules. But I don't know that they draw distinctions in the gameworld. That is, I'm not sure that in the gameworld there is a ficitonal difference between a LG STR paladin of Bahamut and a LG STR cleric of Bahamut. Yes. Probably this too. They produce a lot of text, and I think they expect individual groups to do their own thing with it to some extent at least. I agree that the classes are designed to push in the sorts of ways you describe (crafty hunters, clever rogues etc). The utility powers also tend to support this. But I don't think there is anything in the mechanics-fiction relationship that would prevent a player trying to build against type. Whereas a warlock PC is of necessity, in the fiction, a pact-maker. [/QUOTE]

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