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<blockquote data-quote="Felon" data-source="post: 3786242" data-attributes="member: 8158"><p>And the biggest offender of all, "if demons are chaotic evil and devils are lawful evil, there <em>has</em> to be a neutral evil branch to fill in the hole". There's a lack of subtlety to that symmetrical way of thinking. It's choosing the perfunctory and obvious ways to go.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Well, crowd control and tanking are similar roles. In both cases, you want to minimize the enemy's offensive capability. From that point of view, a martial character that affected an area with a fearsome presence or a taunting presence is exercising a degree of control, although the latter is closer to what a defender does. This could work for the barbarian.</p><p></p><p>A ranged specialist could serve as a controller as well. Think of Iron Heroes' archer, able to disarm, trip, and debilitate foes with shots. As stated in Wyatt's interview about roles, there are various kinds of control, and sometimes just spreading some damage over an area (a la fireball is the way to do it), so a rain of arrows or throwing knives could serve in this capacity as well.</p><p></p><p>Certain melee weapons, like the spiked chain and whip, could allow for a fighter to exert control, but see this is where symmetirical thinking is problematic, because the fighter has been cast into the defender role. We can't go screwing up our compass. Paladins aren't leaders, wizards aren't strikers, and fighters aren't controllers.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Felon, post: 3786242, member: 8158"] And the biggest offender of all, "if demons are chaotic evil and devils are lawful evil, there [I]has[/I] to be a neutral evil branch to fill in the hole". There's a lack of subtlety to that symmetrical way of thinking. It's choosing the perfunctory and obvious ways to go. Well, crowd control and tanking are similar roles. In both cases, you want to minimize the enemy's offensive capability. From that point of view, a martial character that affected an area with a fearsome presence or a taunting presence is exercising a degree of control, although the latter is closer to what a defender does. This could work for the barbarian. A ranged specialist could serve as a controller as well. Think of Iron Heroes' archer, able to disarm, trip, and debilitate foes with shots. As stated in Wyatt's interview about roles, there are various kinds of control, and sometimes just spreading some damage over an area (a la fireball is the way to do it), so a rain of arrows or throwing knives could serve in this capacity as well. Certain melee weapons, like the spiked chain and whip, could allow for a fighter to exert control, but see this is where symmetirical thinking is problematic, because the fighter has been cast into the defender role. We can't go screwing up our compass. Paladins aren't leaders, wizards aren't strikers, and fighters aren't controllers. [/QUOTE]
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