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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Plane Sailing" data-source="post: 112967" data-attributes="member: 114">When a 1 is rolled, we originally had to make another d20 roll "to hit" in order to avoid a fumble. In practice this became a bit silly (it was easier to fumble against a tortoise than a cat, kind of thing) so we tried first a DC10 DEX check, and then went for a DC15 reflex saving throw - because we felt that higher level characters should have less chance of fumbling.With missile weapons we normally give equal odds to:String breaksCatch self with string, 1d3 subdualhit friend in cone of sight (if available)With melee weapons we normally give equal odds to:fall overdrop weaponDaze, lose next actionWe used to make fumbles provoke an AoO but found this too deadly - although we might add it back into the list again later.Cheers</blockquote>