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<blockquote data-quote="Oofta" data-source="post: 6861147" data-attributes="member: 6801845">To the OP, rolling for stats will give you an average roll that is only a couple of points higher than a point buy.&nbsp; In addition, it will guarantee that your character can't be too gimped.Many people do simply cheat/lie/have the dog eat their character sheet if they roll bad.&nbsp; If you have the DMs approval then I guess it's not technically cheating.&nbsp; Call it generous house ruling if you wish.All I can say is that I've been in games where one person rolled super-high stats (a couple of 18s, nothing lower than a 14) while my wife rolled a character with a high stat of 14 (most were below 10).&nbsp; When my wife asked if we could use point buy or reroll, the DM laughed and said basically &quot;Wow that sucks.&nbsp; Too bad you have to play that character.&quot;&nbsp; I didn't think it was fun or fair back then, I still don't.I wrote a little program a while back that cranked out thousands of randomly generated groups and found that in most cases there is a significant power difference between characters if you use random rolls*.&nbsp; I find that unfair, others don't.I've gone down this road of &quot;rolling for stats is the schizzle because I always roll awesome character or just ignore the fact that my PC has an intelligence lower than a baboon&quot;.&nbsp; I don't see the point of having it again ... *I used the point buy system to determine power level differences.&nbsp; It's an imperfect yardstick but the best we have.&nbsp; If you want the numbers I can find them, but most people don't care because most people roll until they have a character with stats they like.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Oofta, post: 6861147, member: 6801845"] To the OP, rolling for stats will give you an average roll that is only a couple of points higher than a point buy. In addition, it will guarantee that your character can't be too gimped. Many people do simply cheat/lie/have the dog eat their character sheet if they roll bad. If you have the DMs approval then I guess it's not technically cheating. Call it generous house ruling if you wish. All I can say is that I've been in games where one person rolled super-high stats (a couple of 18s, nothing lower than a 14) while my wife rolled a character with a high stat of 14 (most were below 10). When my wife asked if we could use point buy or reroll, the DM laughed and said basically "Wow that sucks. Too bad you have to play that character." I didn't think it was fun or fair back then, I still don't. I wrote a little program a while back that cranked out thousands of randomly generated groups and found that in most cases there is a significant power difference between characters if you use random rolls*. I find that unfair, others don't. I've gone down this road of "rolling for stats is the schizzle because I always roll awesome character or just ignore the fact that my PC has an intelligence lower than a baboon". I don't see the point of having it again ... [I]*I used the point buy system to determine power level differences. It's an imperfect yardstick but the best we have. If you want the numbers I can find them, but most people don't care because most people roll until they have a character with stats they like.[/I] [/QUOTE]

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