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<blockquote data-quote="FormerlyHemlock" data-source="post: 6861327" data-attributes="member: 6787650">I think we are completely different kinds of powergamers then. I couldn't care less how I compare to the other players--I only care that I am making the most of what I'm given. I've played briefly at a Shadowrun table that frowned on optimizing point allocation, and I would have been fine if they'd said, &quot;Okay, you're better at optimizing, so you only get 80 points to make your build instead of the normal 150, so that we all come out at the same level of effectiveness in the end.&quot; To me that's fine because I still get to do what I enjoy--constraint-solving.Instead these tables expected you to deliberately make inefficient choices based on the same resources as the other players. To my mind, that constituted interference with my fun. I found that distasteful enough that I ceased playing with them.I played at another table where I offered to roll 3d6 instead of 4d6 drop lowest. The DM turned down but I would have done it, and had fun with it and been very effective.It sounds like you probably would hate the &quot;you get less resources&quot; approach but for me it is fully consistent with powergaming.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="FormerlyHemlock, post: 6861327, member: 6787650"] I think we are completely different kinds of powergamers then. I couldn't care less how I compare to the other players--I only care that I am making the most of what I'm given. I've played briefly at a Shadowrun table that frowned on optimizing point allocation, and I would have been fine if they'd said, "Okay, you're better at optimizing, so you only get 80 points to make your build instead of the normal 150, so that we all come out at the same level of effectiveness in the end." To me that's fine because I still get to do what I enjoy--constraint-solving. Instead these tables expected you to deliberately make inefficient choices based on the same resources as the other players. To my mind, that constituted interference with my fun. I found that distasteful enough that I ceased playing with them. I played at another table where I offered to roll 3d6 instead of 4d6 drop lowest. The DM turned down but I would have done it, and had fun with it and been very effective. It sounds like you probably would hate the "you get less resources" approach but for me it is fully consistent with powergaming. [/QUOTE]

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