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<blockquote data-quote="Icharbezol" data-source="post: 6867208" data-attributes="member: 89262">I don't know if this matches other DMs' experience or not. Most of the time I have run games, for a variety of groups, the point buy characters average out higher than the rolled characters, as maybe one player will end up with a character that doesn't have almost all tens or twelves in everything if all are rolling in front of me and frequently their ability scores are not even that good. That changes only if they have rolled away from the table, and out of my sight. Then they tend to bring characters to the table that invariably start with an 18-20 is their main ability score for class and nothing less than a 14 in everything else.I stopped letting people roll at home and bring premade characters to the table before my current campaign started. They almost all wanted to use point buy. Except one. That one continued to try rolling at home for my most recent campaign, telling me that someone there witnessed his rolls. I found out that he used a die method that he prefers for his home game to generate ability scores: 4d6, drop lowest, reroll 1s and 2s. I've shut down that method of rolling as unacceptable at my table. He rolled in front of me, and got nothing higher than 14 and several sub-10 scores. I said take that, or use the standard array.So yeah, I'd concur with the cheating thing. I just don't think it's as common for people to roll characters with all ability scores at 14+ as they say they do.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Icharbezol, post: 6867208, member: 89262"] I don't know if this matches other DMs' experience or not. Most of the time I have run games, for a variety of groups, the point buy characters average out higher than the rolled characters, as maybe one player will end up with a character that doesn't have almost all tens or twelves in everything if all are rolling in front of me and frequently their ability scores are not even that good. That changes only if they have rolled away from the table, and out of my sight. Then they tend to bring characters to the table that invariably start with an 18-20 is their main ability score for class and nothing less than a 14 in everything else. I stopped letting people roll at home and bring premade characters to the table before my current campaign started. They almost all wanted to use point buy. Except one. That one continued to try rolling at home for my most recent campaign, telling me that someone there witnessed his rolls. I found out that he used a die method that he prefers for his home game to generate ability scores: 4d6, drop lowest, reroll 1s and 2s. I've shut down that method of rolling as unacceptable at my table. He rolled in front of me, and got nothing higher than 14 and several sub-10 scores. I said take that, or use the standard array. So yeah, I'd concur with the cheating thing. I just don't think it's as common for people to roll characters with all ability scores at 14+ as they say they do. [/QUOTE]

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