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<blockquote data-quote="Ace" data-source="post: 343843" data-attributes="member: 944">I just let the players set whatever stats they like.Yes you heard me right, the players! I reserve the right to nerf as needed but so far the system worked out fine for me. I I get a party full of Uber guys and gals than hey I guess I just bump up the oppostion or scale back magic items.I figure it this way, +1 or +2 on a stats is meaningless with cheap abundant skill boost items and as a player there is nothing worse than being stuck playing a weak charcter you don't like. Gee I'd play a monk but the dice were crappy today and my highest stat is 15-- I guess I'll play a Rogue, YUUCHI do have a question though... &nbsp;How can your players stand the 25/28 point buy system? It produces (IMO) weak&nbsp; characters and severly limits the choices open to you. Honestly a 25 point buy monk? Orc Bait.Even a fighter is pretty iffy unless you want a lot of dump stats If my GM enforced a rule like that I would just smile thank him for his time and leave the campaign.&nbsp;YMMV but when I play D&amp;D I want to play heroic characters who are not dependant on magic items to be any good.I wouldn't use the DMG point buy system but if I did 32 would be about as low as I could stand. I would probably use 30+2d6 points or something.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Ace, post: 343843, member: 944"] I just let the players set whatever stats they like. Yes you heard me right, the players! I reserve the right to nerf as needed but so far the system worked out fine for me. I I get a party full of Uber guys and gals than hey I guess I just bump up the oppostion or scale back magic items. I figure it this way, +1 or +2 on a stats is meaningless with cheap abundant skill boost items and as a player there is nothing worse than being stuck playing a weak charcter you don't like. Gee I'd play a monk but the dice were crappy today and my highest stat is 15-- I guess I'll play a Rogue, YUUCH I do have a question though... How can your players stand the 25/28 point buy system? It produces (IMO) weak characters and severly limits the choices open to you. Honestly a 25 point buy monk? Orc Bait. Even a fighter is pretty iffy unless you want a lot of dump stats If my GM enforced a rule like that I would just smile thank him for his time and leave the campaign. YMMV but when I play D&D I want to play heroic characters who are not dependant on magic items to be any good. I wouldn't use the DMG point buy system but if I did 32 would be about as low as I could stand. I would probably use 30+2d6 points or something. [/QUOTE]

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