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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Urbannen" data-source="post: 1037662" data-attributes="member: 7643">Quasqueton, I just posted to your other thread in which you complain about your players wanting to have access to all the PrCs, monster races, and templates.  You have a problem:  You are not a power gamer.  Your players are power gamers.  I suggest that you compromise, a little at least (I have to admit though that I'm not a power gamer and I love to see power gamers squirm).  Yes, frankly, 28 is "low-ish" for a paladin, ranger, or monk character.  My suggestion: give them a choice between 32 point buy and rolling for stats.  32-point buy is not that much more than 28, but it does give more comfort room to the power gamer.  If they have the choice of rolling then they can't complain.  If they roll make them do it in front of you, and they can only do it once unless they get an "unplayable" character as defined by the PHB.  If they get a character that is higher than 32 points (very probable), they hit the jackpot.  If not, too bad - it was their choice to roll.  [pedantic educator voice]Remember, modern discipline is all about choices, not ultimatums.[/pedantic educator voice]This might lead to less sulkiness on their part.</blockquote>