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Message: <blockquote data-quote="DEFCON 1" data-source="post: 9242536" data-attributes="member: 7006">I also use the 'Passive Perception is the floor' method myself.  And when setting DCs for things that are hidden I usually don't just assign them (thus having to worry about whether the number I assign will be automatically above or below the player's passive perceptions)... I instead roll a check for the person in the past who was setting or hiding the thing and their check creates the eventual DC that the characters will need to overcome.So if there's a secret door in a house (like behind a bookshelf or whatever) then I'll roll a construction check for the person who built the secret door, and that check will end up the DC for the players to find it.  Which is essentially creating a randomized DC, as others have also said they do.</blockquote>