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<blockquote data-quote="Jack Daniel" data-source="post: 9042889" data-attributes="member: 694">It's worth pointing out, I think, that &quot;roll under the stat&quot; is not a commonly used mechanic in any 70s or early 80s expression of the OD&amp;D or AD&amp;D rules as published by TSR. We see it used once or twice in early modules like B1 (where it's expressed as d%, 5% per point of ability score to overcome some very situationally-specific challenge — one of countless many resolution mechanics that only ever exists in one dungeon room of one module); and it's offhandedly mentioned in Moldvay Basic as an optional, miscellaneous task-resolution mechanic; but it's not really codified into a rulebook until the non-weapon proficiency systems in the Survival Guides circa 1986, which doubtless in turn inspired the general skills mechanic in the late 80s D&amp;D Gazetteers. (OA's NWP system from 1985 used a roll high system.)I, for one, never use &quot;roll under the stat&quot; when I run Classic D&amp;D. I just don't like the mechanic at all, and I much prefer to run the game without it — as, apparently, it was originally so designed.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Jack Daniel, post: 9042889, member: 694"] It's worth pointing out, I think, that "roll under the stat" is [I]not[/I] a commonly used mechanic in any 70s or early 80s expression of the OD&D or AD&D rules as published by TSR. We see it used once or twice in early modules like B1 (where it's expressed as d%, 5% per point of ability score to overcome some [I]very situationally-specific challenge [/I]— one of countless many resolution mechanics that only ever exists in one dungeon room of one module); and it's offhandedly mentioned in Moldvay Basic as an optional, miscellaneous task-resolution mechanic; but it's not really codified into a rulebook until the non-weapon proficiency systems in the Survival Guides circa 1986, which doubtless in turn inspired the general skills mechanic in the late 80s D&D Gazetteers. (OA's NWP system from 1985 used a roll high system.) I, for one, [I]never[/I] use "roll under the stat" when I run Classic D&D. I just don't like the mechanic at all, and I much prefer to run the game without it — as, apparently, it was originally so designed. [/QUOTE]

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