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<blockquote data-quote="HammerMan" data-source="post: 8442698" data-attributes="member: 84112">I had a DM back in 3.0 that demanded we describe our searches... I tired. I &quot;searched&quot; (with best search modfier and rolling in high teens) the closet and described goign through loths looking for hidden draws and tapping everything, and found nothing... the much lower search fighter on the other hand rolled single digits but described taking the hanging bar off and looking to see if it was hallow... he found a portable hole folded up in it...&nbsp; BTW the fighter player had been playing with this DM for years and out of game knew this was the sort of thing he did.SO yeah, my rogue/wizard with max ranks and better stat searched worse then the fighter with 1 cross class rank and worse stat even when I rolled better becuse he knew how the DM thought...as much as people argue role play vs roll play, I hate 'play the DM cause I know them' more. This also lead to the (same DM) half orc with dump stat cha and no ranks in any social skills out talking (intimadating/diplomacy/bluff)&nbsp; then the sorcerer who built her character around cha and social skills because the half orc PLAYER was more persuasive, and the sorcer player was more introverted.That DM also bad talked my own campaigns becuse I wouldn't allow his 'perfect argument that made sense' convince anyone when he rolled low and had poor skills on his character, or he couldn't find traps by 'out thinking them' when he didn't have trap finding abilities on his character...</blockquote>

[QUOTE="HammerMan, post: 8442698, member: 84112"] I had a DM back in 3.0 that demanded we describe our searches... I tired. I "searched" (with best search modfier and rolling in high teens) the closet and described goign through loths looking for hidden draws and tapping everything, and found nothing... the much lower search fighter on the other hand rolled single digits but described taking the hanging bar off and looking to see if it was hallow... he found a portable hole folded up in it... BTW the fighter player had been playing with this DM for years and out of game knew this was the sort of thing he did. SO yeah, my rogue/wizard with max ranks and better stat searched worse then the fighter with 1 cross class rank and worse stat even when I rolled better becuse he knew how the DM thought... as much as people argue role play vs roll play, I hate 'play the DM cause I know them' more. This also lead to the (same DM) half orc with dump stat cha and no ranks in any social skills out talking (intimadating/diplomacy/bluff) then the sorcerer who built her character around cha and social skills because the half orc PLAYER was more persuasive, and the sorcer player was more introverted. That DM also bad talked my own campaigns becuse I wouldn't allow his 'perfect argument that made sense' convince anyone when he rolled low and had poor skills on his character, or he couldn't find traps by 'out thinking them' when he didn't have trap finding abilities on his character... [/QUOTE]

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