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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Killer Shrike" data-source="post: 157778" data-attributes="member: 1829">This seems to be a very strange kludge; Im not sure that makes sense. Combining Grappling with the actual Entangled game state causes other problems. For example, the actual Entangle spell sets the DC to escape it or break it at a flat unopposed DC 20 Strength or Escape Artist check.  However, if you make it opposed and use the Grapple checks, the DC is effectively 15 + d20 (the RoE's Grapple bonus of +15 and its d20 grapple check), opposed by BAB+Size Mod+Str+d20. It totally changes the probabilities. Also, just as the item description doesnt directly state that damage is inflicted, it also dosnt directly state that the target "suffers a -2 penalty to attack rolls and a -4 penalty to effective Dexterity. If the bonds are anchored to an immobile object, the entangled character cannot move. Otherwise, he can move at half speed, but can't run or charge. An entangled character who attempts to cast a spell must make a Concentration check (DC usually 15) or lose the spell." Thus, there is no more or less clarification via this means.Im beginning to think that the RoE needs to be erratta'd as it does not seem to make much sense as it it.</blockquote>