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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Jimlock" data-source="post: 5996626" data-attributes="member: 6674931">So we agree to disagree.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />This is not "location naming". You are providing coordinates here.Discern Location is not a GPS. It simply gives you names, from big to small. That's all the spell says.I "used the zoom out" example in my previous post to explain how the information (location names) provided by the spell scale from small to biggerANDto explain how the extradimensional space is clearly, not a part of the material plane.Ok lets do the exercise once again:Lets say that we had an immaterial camera, and that we were standing in Rope Trick's extradimensional space.And lets assume that we could start moving this camera away from the extra dimensional space... like this:[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=17jymDn0W6U]The Known Universe by AMNH - YouTube[/ame]To tell you the truth, I wouldn't know what you 'd see, as extradimensional spaces are so vaguely described (and it is good that they are...).Perhaps you 'll get into a void, a total darknessness, perhaps something else... who knows?But what I CAN tell you with certainty is that you will not be seeing any of the material plane. Why?Because you are not in the material plane. In fact you are in  an extradimensional space that is outside the multiverse of extradimensional spaces (“planes”) ---> The "Material Plane... is one of those (“planes”)Actually, it IS outside the spell's described function.Moreover, the extradimensional space is NOT part of any location on the Material Plane.(Keep reading)Yes, because they are both nameable places, belonging to the same plane.The specific ship is IN the specific port, IN the city, IN that country... IN that plane.While the extradimensional space is NOT in any place on the Material Plane. It is IN something else... beyond the multiverse of extradimensional spaces (“planes”).Rope Trick's Extradimensional space is where it is. It certainly isn't "anchored" in the material plane. If it were to be anchored somewhere it would  be "anchored", somewhere outside the multiverse of extradimensional spaces (“planes”)... as the spell clearly states.The portal does not "anchor" the extra-dimensional space to the material plane, it does not "move" the space. It does NOTHING to the space. It simply provides a door so as to get from one space to another, from one plane to another. That's allDiscern Location DOES NOT provide something other than location names. It does not give directions it does not provide coordinates, it does not describe rooms, windows, doors. If the place/location has a name. You are lucky! If not... then you have to find another way.IMHO this is the beauty of the spell as well.Say that a party is looking for an elf named Mineras. And the party's wizard casts Discern Location. Mineras is in Drucilda's House in some village without street names or districts.The party might not know who Drucilda is, but that is all the information they are going to get. So they will have to to travel to that village and investigate so as to find out who Drucilda is, where her house is... and eventually get to Mineras.Discern location, will NOT tell them "You make a left from the Governor's house and then you go down the road until you reach the armory...etc.etc.". Discern Location will NOT describe the house, It will NOT provide distance or coordinates.Discern Location will start from the most specific (by location name ONLY) and work its way up to state, country... until the name of the plane, just as the spell describes:The spell reveals the name of the creature or object’s location (place, name, business name, building name, or the like), community, county (or similar political division), country, continent, and the plane of existence where the target lies.No. The spell does not THINK. if the only thing with a name is the Desert, then that is the only thing you get. If you are lucky and there is an oasis there, then you get that too. <img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f642.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":)" title="Smile    :)"  data-smilie="1"data-shortname=":)" />I'm sorry, but that's like saying "he's in a room with a nice view on the lake, a door to the laundry & a 1937 Picasso on the wall.Nope. If you were on the Material plane in an Inn's room (number 5) and you had opened 3 portals in that room (one to the Nine Hells one to Sigil and one to god knows where... would Discern Location provide information on all the portals in your room and where they lead to?No it wouldn't. It would simply tell the caster you are on the Material Plane, X city, X Inn... X room. Done.So why would it provide information on a portal to the material plane when you are on another plane???And don't tell me because it SHOULD, because it's a powerful spell and yada yada yada...Even the most powerful of spells and powers have loopholes.... it happens....Even so, Discern Location is a very powerful spell (as written, with names only)So even if the party does not manage to pinpoint the target, no harm dome... a little investigation won't hurt them.As for the Rope Trick... [MENTION]drowbane[/MENTION] nailed it: All the caster has to do is wait and try again later. No one can stay in a rope trick forever.And I could say that reading something that isn't written is eqaully hazardous<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f609.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=";)" title="Wink    ;)"  data-smilie="2"data-shortname=";)" />To that I agree.<img src="https://cdn.jsdelivr.net/joypixels/assets/8.0/png/unicode/64/1f600.png" class="smilie smilie--emoji" loading="lazy" width="64" height="64" alt=":D" title="Big grin    :D"  data-smilie="8"data-shortname=":D" /></blockquote>

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