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<blockquote data-quote="Hypersmurf" data-source="post: 3464284" data-attributes="member: 1656"><p>The PHB states:</p><p><em>There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed.</em></p><p>and</p><p><em>When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). </em></p><p></p><p>The FAQ states:</p><p><strong>Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine</strong></p><p><strong>a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her</strong></p><p><strong>penalties on attack rolls?</strong></p><p></p><p><em>A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other</em></p><p><em>character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her</em></p><p><em>attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand</em></p><p><em>weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with</em></p><p><em>a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but</em></p><p><em>remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special</em></p><p><em>monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for two weapon</em></p><p><em>fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.</em></p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p><em>The monk can’t use his natural weapon attacks as part of a</em></p><p><em>flurry of blows, but he can make natural weapon attacks in</em></p><p><em>addition to his flurry.</em></p><p></p><p><a href="http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070410a" target="_blank">RotG</a> states:</p><p><em><strong>Monks and Natural Weapons</strong></em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As we saw in Part Two, a creature with natural weapons can use them for secondary attacks when using the full attack action. A monk character with natural weaponry has the same option.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>For example, an 8th-level lizardfolk monk with a Strength score of 17 has a base attack bonus of +7 (+1 for its 2 humanoid Hit Dice and +6 for its monk levels). The character has three natural weapons: two claws (1d4) and one bite (1d4). For this example, we'll assume the character also has the Multiattack feat.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>With the full attack action, our example monk can make two unarmed attacks thanks to its +7 base attack bonus. After adding in the +3 bonus from the monk's Strength score of 17, our example character's unarmed attacks have the following attack bonuses: +10/+5. Thanks to the monk's class level and Strength score, damage for the unarmed strikes is 1d10+3.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>The example monk also can attack with its claws and bite as secondary natural attacks at a -2 penalty (thanks to the character's Multiattack feat). Each natural weapon uses the character's +7 base attack bonus and +3 Strength modifier, except that the Strength bonus on damage is halved because these are secondary attacks: 2 claws +8 (1d4+1) and bite +8 (1d4+1).</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em>As noted last week, there are no two-weapon or off-hand penalties for these attacks.</em></p><p><em></em></p><p><em><strong>The example monk cannot use a flurry of blows</strong> because a flurry doesn't work with natural weaponry.</em></p><p></p><p>and</p><p></p><p><em><strong>If a monk is not using her flurry of blows ability</strong>, she can claim an extra attack from a second weapon.</em></p><p></p><p>-----</p><p></p><p>So, PHB says:</p><p>No off-hand while striking unarmed.</p><p>FAQ says:</p><p>You can use an unarmed strike as an off-hand weapon.</p><p>RotG says:</p><p>You can gain an extra attack with an off-hand weapon <em>if you aren't using Flurry of Blows</em>.</p><p></p><p>PHB says:</p><p>Unarmed strikes and monk weapons only in a flurry.</p><p>FAQ says:</p><p>You can use secondary natural attacks in addition to a flurry.</p><p>RotG says:</p><p>If you're using natural weapons, you can't flurry.</p><p></p><p>-Hyp.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Hypersmurf, post: 3464284, member: 1656"] The PHB states: [i]There is no such thing as an off-hand attack for a monk striking unarmed.[/i] and [i]When using flurry of blows, a monk may attack only with unarmed strikes or with special monk weapons (kama, nunchaku, quarterstaff, sai, shuriken, and siangham). [/i] The FAQ states: [b]Can a monk fight with two weapons? Can she combine a two-weapon attack with a flurry of blows? What are her penalties on attack rolls?[/b] [i]A monk can fight with two weapons just like any other character, but she must accept the normal penalties on her attack rolls to do so. She can use an unarmed strike as an offhand weapon. She can even combine two-weapon fighting with a flurry of blows to gain an extra attack with her off hand (but remember that she can use only unarmed strikes or special monk weapons as part of the flurry). The penalties for two weapon fighting stack with the penalties for flurry of blows.[/i] and [i]The monk can’t use his natural weapon attacks as part of a flurry of blows, but he can make natural weapon attacks in addition to his flurry.[/i] [URL=http://wizards.com/default.asp?x=dnd/rg/20070410a]RotG[/URL] states: [i][b]Monks and Natural Weapons[/b] As we saw in Part Two, a creature with natural weapons can use them for secondary attacks when using the full attack action. A monk character with natural weaponry has the same option. For example, an 8th-level lizardfolk monk with a Strength score of 17 has a base attack bonus of +7 (+1 for its 2 humanoid Hit Dice and +6 for its monk levels). The character has three natural weapons: two claws (1d4) and one bite (1d4). For this example, we'll assume the character also has the Multiattack feat. With the full attack action, our example monk can make two unarmed attacks thanks to its +7 base attack bonus. After adding in the +3 bonus from the monk's Strength score of 17, our example character's unarmed attacks have the following attack bonuses: +10/+5. Thanks to the monk's class level and Strength score, damage for the unarmed strikes is 1d10+3. The example monk also can attack with its claws and bite as secondary natural attacks at a -2 penalty (thanks to the character's Multiattack feat). Each natural weapon uses the character's +7 base attack bonus and +3 Strength modifier, except that the Strength bonus on damage is halved because these are secondary attacks: 2 claws +8 (1d4+1) and bite +8 (1d4+1). As noted last week, there are no two-weapon or off-hand penalties for these attacks. [b]The example monk cannot use a flurry of blows[/b] because a flurry doesn't work with natural weaponry.[/i] and [i][b]If a monk is not using her flurry of blows ability[/b], she can claim an extra attack from a second weapon.[/i] ----- So, PHB says: No off-hand while striking unarmed. FAQ says: You can use an unarmed strike as an off-hand weapon. RotG says: You can gain an extra attack with an off-hand weapon [i]if you aren't using Flurry of Blows[/i]. PHB says: Unarmed strikes and monk weapons only in a flurry. FAQ says: You can use secondary natural attacks in addition to a flurry. RotG says: If you're using natural weapons, you can't flurry. -Hyp. [/QUOTE]
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