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<blockquote data-quote="Testament" data-source="post: 2230370" data-attributes="member: 21833"><p>*Deep breath*. ROGUES ARE NOT THIEVES! You can sneak attack with any weapon by hitting them somewhere it hurts, and any weapon is a valid choice if someone's playing the tricksy dirty fighting SOB. I'd rather use a big brutal weapon to take down someone fast, daggers are tools and stylish thrown weapons, not a primary weapon. Seems to me that you're way too fast to call twink.</p><p></p><p>The high dex swashbuckler goes either Duellist or Swashbuckler, and thus gains his intelligence to damage, reliably and doesn't gamble for higher damage/lower accuracy like Power Attack. Improved Critical and improved initiative+rogue level goes further.</p><p></p><p>A prerequisite as low as Str 13 is little more than a token prerequisite to restrict it to at least remotely combat based characters. And yes I've seen the sort of archery in question there, although as Majoru pointed out, the example you gave was actually illegal. And on the matter of rewarding, I probably should have said "D&D rewards the person who takes the risk IN COMBAT".</p><p></p><p>Oh, and on Weapon Finesse being a glorified class feature, I say that because I've never seen anyone who isn't a Swashbuckler type or a pure Rogue take it. I've seen members of nearly every non-arcane caster class taking Power Attack.</p><p></p><p>You obviously consider Power Attack to be an awesomely powerful feat. Doesn't that mean it should be winning this competition, rather than being voted off? To paraphrase Wulf, what planet are you on where Spell Penetration deserves to continue in this comp ahead of the fundamental melee feat?</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Testament, post: 2230370, member: 21833"] *Deep breath*. ROGUES ARE NOT THIEVES! You can sneak attack with any weapon by hitting them somewhere it hurts, and any weapon is a valid choice if someone's playing the tricksy dirty fighting SOB. I'd rather use a big brutal weapon to take down someone fast, daggers are tools and stylish thrown weapons, not a primary weapon. Seems to me that you're way too fast to call twink. The high dex swashbuckler goes either Duellist or Swashbuckler, and thus gains his intelligence to damage, reliably and doesn't gamble for higher damage/lower accuracy like Power Attack. Improved Critical and improved initiative+rogue level goes further. A prerequisite as low as Str 13 is little more than a token prerequisite to restrict it to at least remotely combat based characters. And yes I've seen the sort of archery in question there, although as Majoru pointed out, the example you gave was actually illegal. And on the matter of rewarding, I probably should have said "D&D rewards the person who takes the risk IN COMBAT". Oh, and on Weapon Finesse being a glorified class feature, I say that because I've never seen anyone who isn't a Swashbuckler type or a pure Rogue take it. I've seen members of nearly every non-arcane caster class taking Power Attack. You obviously consider Power Attack to be an awesomely powerful feat. Doesn't that mean it should be winning this competition, rather than being voted off? To paraphrase Wulf, what planet are you on where Spell Penetration deserves to continue in this comp ahead of the fundamental melee feat? [/QUOTE]
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