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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 5541645" data-attributes="member: 4937">To me that sounds like a very very effectual counter argument to the notion that deities are the product of mortal belief.&nbsp; I would say to this question that you've just provided strong evidence that no number of people believing you are immortal can make you so.Did a prankster diety tell the player that?Under no version of D&amp;D that I'm aware of is this true.&nbsp;&nbsp; I believe the player in question has read the 1st edition Deities and Demigods handbook where it talks about becoming immortal and one of the requirements is 'a couple of hundred worshippers that are already convinced you are a deity'.&nbsp;&nbsp; However, that's just one of the requirements.&nbsp;&nbsp; Among the others:a) Attribute scores equivalent to a diety.b) At least twice the level of the usual maximum attainment of character level of the campaign world.&nbsp;&nbsp; For example, if 15th level is generally recognized as 'high level', then you'd need to be 30th.&nbsp;&nbsp; Or if 20th level is generally recognized as 'high level', then you'd need to be 40th.c) Sponcership by an existing diety in whose service you spend a couple of centuries before obtaining the status of a demigod.From this list, it is not at all clear that merely having a few hundred worshipers is the most necessary and essential feature of obtaining godhood.&nbsp;&nbsp; Collectively, the requirements can be read as, &quot;You are almost a god anyway so its not a particularly great step for you to become a full fledged one.&quot;, but the critical notion of sponcership by an existing diety must be addressed as well as the fact that that 'no great step' might well take several centuries.It is never to my knowlege addressed, but it appears that at least one deity has to be among 'the believers', that is, believe you are worthy to be a god.&nbsp; Even then, its not clear that even the deity can instantly uplift you by belief or power if you do not already have significant native power.If this method would work, being as simple as it is, it would have worked centuries before and everyone would have long since become immortal deities.&nbsp;&nbsp; Since it hasn't happened before, it is sufficient evidence that either it doesn't work or that its 100% certain that existing dieties destroy any group attempting such a thing.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 5541645, member: 4937"] To me that sounds like a very very effectual counter argument to the notion that deities are the product of mortal belief. I would say to this question that you've just provided strong evidence that no number of people believing you are immortal can make you so. Did a prankster diety tell the player that? Under no version of D&D that I'm aware of is this true. I believe the player in question has read the 1st edition Deities and Demigods handbook where it talks about becoming immortal and one of the requirements is 'a couple of hundred worshippers that are already convinced you are a deity'. However, that's just one of the requirements. Among the others: a) Attribute scores equivalent to a diety. b) At least twice the level of the usual maximum attainment of character level of the campaign world. For example, if 15th level is generally recognized as 'high level', then you'd need to be 30th. Or if 20th level is generally recognized as 'high level', then you'd need to be 40th. c) Sponcership by an existing diety in whose service you spend a couple of centuries before obtaining the status of a demigod. From this list, it is not at all clear that merely having a few hundred worshipers is the most necessary and essential feature of obtaining godhood. Collectively, the requirements can be read as, "You are almost a god anyway so its not a particularly great step for you to become a full fledged one.", but the critical notion of sponcership by an existing diety must be addressed as well as the fact that that 'no great step' might well take several centuries. It is never to my knowlege addressed, but it appears that at least one deity has to be among 'the believers', that is, believe you are worthy to be a god. Even then, its not clear that even the deity can instantly uplift you by belief or power if you do not already have significant native power. If this method would work, being as simple as it is, it would have worked centuries before and everyone would have long since become immortal deities. Since it hasn't happened before, it is sufficient evidence that either it doesn't work or that its 100% certain that existing dieties destroy any group attempting such a thing. [/QUOTE]

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