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<blockquote data-quote="S'mon" data-source="post: 5520541" data-attributes="member: 463">There are lots of indications in the 4e books that players are supposed to roleplay during combat, shouting out battle oaths, evocatively describing their Powers, and suchlike.&nbsp; But newer players can struggle to do this while trying to master the complicated combat rules, and IME even experienced weaker/less imaginative players often refuse to roleplay during combat and simply treat is as an exercise in mechanical number crunching.Personally I'm usually pretty much ok with players of martial-role PCs who simply declare &quot;I Sly Flourish&quot; and then determine the mechanical effects; with Martial attacks it's usually easy for the DM &amp; other players to understand what's going on.&nbsp; But I really hate it when players of some obscure splatbook Arcane/Divine/etc class do the same, and no one else can visualise what's happening or why the monsters are taking X damage and being Dazed/Stunned/Marked etc.Edit: Even with Martial powers there can be problems.&nbsp; My Thief's &quot;Backstab&quot; has a legacy name which poorly describes what's actually happening.&nbsp; Usually I'm not actually 'backstabbing' a monster, I'm &quot;exploiting a temporary moment of vulnerability&quot;.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="S'mon, post: 5520541, member: 463"] There are lots of indications in the 4e books that players are supposed to roleplay during combat, shouting out battle oaths, evocatively describing their Powers, and suchlike. But newer players can struggle to do this while trying to master the complicated combat rules, and IME even experienced weaker/less imaginative players often refuse to roleplay during combat and simply treat is as an exercise in mechanical number crunching. Personally I'm usually pretty much ok with players of martial-role PCs who simply declare "I Sly Flourish" and then determine the mechanical effects; with Martial attacks it's usually easy for the DM & other players to understand what's going on. But I really hate it when players of some obscure splatbook Arcane/Divine/etc class do the same, and no one else can visualise what's happening or why the monsters are taking X damage and being Dazed/Stunned/Marked etc. Edit: Even with Martial powers there can be problems. My Thief's "Backstab" has a legacy name which poorly describes what's actually happening. Usually I'm not actually 'backstabbing' a monster, I'm "exploiting a temporary moment of vulnerability". [/QUOTE]

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