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<blockquote data-quote="BluSponge" data-source="post: 5524982" data-attributes="member: 916"><p>Ok, first up, maybe I need to post an example of what I'm going for here. You can check out a page from the rough draft <a href="http://www.tharrison-design.com/projects/guidebook.pdf" target="_blank">here</a>. Like I said, it's not meant to be a comprehensive resource, more of a starting point.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>All of the games on the list are generally widely available in the commercial market. I picked them for a variety of reasons. I may not use all of them in the list. I'm sorry you don't approve of the selection.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>You know, that's great and all. And if I were giving this discussion at a game convention, you'd have an extremely valid point. But these people probably have never touched an RPG, or maybe played one 10+ years ago. I don't anticipate them being able to pick up RISUS and run a multiyear program of evolving characters and storylines with it. I'd love to include a bunch of free, online, indie games. But those generally (with the exception of the retro clones) tend to have terrible follow-up support. They are also generally written for people who already grok RPGs. They don't really bother to explain themselves to complete newbs. I'm not saying all the books on this list do either, which is why I'm polling (trolling?) for objective difficulty ratings from the RPG community rather than just waving my scepter from on high and saying, "D&D 4th edition? That's waaaaay to complicate for you. You should stick to Microlite d20. Besides, it's free!"</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>I probably will mention the retro-clones in the Q&A, and may include a list of them and where to find them. I considered putting in BoL (I have much love for it on my end), but its generally a one-shot rulebook with very little in the way of support (besides the various spin-offs) that you'd have to special order even from the best game stores.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Thank you! This is what I'm looking for. Not necessarily the split, but hey, I can work with that.</p><p></p><p></p><p></p><p>Exactly right Nedjer. And you'll note that Deathwatch/Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy isn't on the list (too dense), nor is WHFRG (too expensive for a large group of players). I also left off GURPS and HERO (toolkit games that have nothing in the way of adventure support), as well as a lot of versions of FATE (ditto). I kept Dresden because its a known fiction license. I would have included Serenity for much the same reason, but its OOP and discontinued. Really, I'm trying to stick to game properties that a librarian would have some support beyond the initial core book, whether adventures or commercial play. The initial list hits all the genres (Gotta have a sci-fi game. Oh right, Traveller!). I may trim it down for the final version but I think its a solid list to go by for what I'm looking to do. Sorry you disagree.</p><p></p><p>Tell you what, if you'd like to take this off-list to PM, putting together a resource of free, rules lite and innovative RPGs might not be a bad follow up either. But the presentation is Tuesday, so I have to budget my time.</p><p></p><p>Thanks everyone! Keep those ratings coming!</p><p></p><p>Tom</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="BluSponge, post: 5524982, member: 916"] Ok, first up, maybe I need to post an example of what I'm going for here. You can check out a page from the rough draft [URL="http://www.tharrison-design.com/projects/guidebook.pdf"]here[/URL]. Like I said, it's not meant to be a comprehensive resource, more of a starting point. All of the games on the list are generally widely available in the commercial market. I picked them for a variety of reasons. I may not use all of them in the list. I'm sorry you don't approve of the selection. You know, that's great and all. And if I were giving this discussion at a game convention, you'd have an extremely valid point. But these people probably have never touched an RPG, or maybe played one 10+ years ago. I don't anticipate them being able to pick up RISUS and run a multiyear program of evolving characters and storylines with it. I'd love to include a bunch of free, online, indie games. But those generally (with the exception of the retro clones) tend to have terrible follow-up support. They are also generally written for people who already grok RPGs. They don't really bother to explain themselves to complete newbs. I'm not saying all the books on this list do either, which is why I'm polling (trolling?) for objective difficulty ratings from the RPG community rather than just waving my scepter from on high and saying, "D&D 4th edition? That's waaaaay to complicate for you. You should stick to Microlite d20. Besides, it's free!" I probably will mention the retro-clones in the Q&A, and may include a list of them and where to find them. I considered putting in BoL (I have much love for it on my end), but its generally a one-shot rulebook with very little in the way of support (besides the various spin-offs) that you'd have to special order even from the best game stores. Thank you! This is what I'm looking for. Not necessarily the split, but hey, I can work with that. Exactly right Nedjer. And you'll note that Deathwatch/Rogue Trader/Dark Heresy isn't on the list (too dense), nor is WHFRG (too expensive for a large group of players). I also left off GURPS and HERO (toolkit games that have nothing in the way of adventure support), as well as a lot of versions of FATE (ditto). I kept Dresden because its a known fiction license. I would have included Serenity for much the same reason, but its OOP and discontinued. Really, I'm trying to stick to game properties that a librarian would have some support beyond the initial core book, whether adventures or commercial play. The initial list hits all the genres (Gotta have a sci-fi game. Oh right, Traveller!). I may trim it down for the final version but I think its a solid list to go by for what I'm looking to do. Sorry you disagree. Tell you what, if you'd like to take this off-list to PM, putting together a resource of free, rules lite and innovative RPGs might not be a bad follow up either. But the presentation is Tuesday, so I have to budget my time. Thanks everyone! Keep those ratings coming! Tom [/QUOTE]
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