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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Arilyn" data-source="post: 7727560" data-attributes="member: 6816042">I don't see a contradiction. I said that you feel that FATE is a story-telling game. I whole heartedly place it under the RPG category, despite the fact that it borrows some story-telling elements. I never said that story-telling games are RPGs, although they are related. Your dislike and worry over meta-gaming is so extreme that it is not allowing you to accept that the wealth of exciting developments in the field can still all fall under the RPG category. Role playing games encompass a wide variety of methods and styles, and can certainly contain your preferred style as well as mine. It encompasses the whole gamut from Basic DnD to Dogs In the Vineyard.  You feel games like FATE or Dungeon World are claiming to be something that they are not, but this is simply not true. They have differeing philosophies behind role playing, but still share the same basic tenets which constitutes the hobby. I'm curious as to what games on the market you consider RPGs?</blockquote>