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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7705800" data-attributes="member: 4937">Sure, anytime.But I'm still right, and you are still wrong. We have had the same director twice be asked to helm a reboot of a series, and both time he drastically changed the tone of the story, and both times completely rebooted the series back to square one.&nbsp; That's not accidental.&nbsp; You don't accidentally erase two beloved series and put your own completely new spin on things unintentionally.&nbsp; There is no 'whoops, I never foresaw the consequences of that decision' here.&nbsp; This is intentional work by a person who does not want to be fettered by any thing anyone else has written.&nbsp; And you don't do those things if you love the work you are adapting more than you love your own work, or if you respect what you are adapting more than you respect yourself.The original series partially accidentally stumbled on a really deep story with all sorts of mythic elements in it, that partly by art and partly by luck ended up a coherent philosophical whole telling - or retelling - some of the great stories of the Western literary tradition in an evocative new setting.&nbsp; And its really by accident that the setting worked, because if you watch ANH closely you can tell he's really muddling his way through this at first.&nbsp;&nbsp; And it's I think fully appropriate in this thread to honor WEG for really beginning to think through the setting and try to make it coherent.&nbsp; 'The Force Awakens' is the anti-story of the original trilogy, and in making TFA the author rendered the original false, meaningless and hollow.&nbsp; It debases the original story.&nbsp; That's not a opinion.&nbsp; Opinions are things like, &quot;I like the color blue.&quot;&nbsp; Opinions are things like, &quot;The framing of this scene really works.&quot;&nbsp;&nbsp; That TFA destroys the original trilogy and its characters is not an opinion.&nbsp; We can demonstrate that point by point.&nbsp; Now you can enjoy that TFA debases the original story, and you can say, &quot;I really like that the characters and themes of the original story were nihilified and overturned.&quot;, and that would be an opinion and you could defend it.&nbsp; But if you argue that they weren't, then you are just wrong.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7705800, member: 4937"] Sure, anytime. But I'm still right, and you are still wrong. We have had the same director twice be asked to helm a reboot of a series, and both time he drastically changed the tone of the story, and both times completely rebooted the series back to square one. That's not accidental. You don't accidentally erase two beloved series and put your own completely new spin on things unintentionally. There is no 'whoops, I never foresaw the consequences of that decision' here. This is intentional work by a person who does not want to be fettered by any thing anyone else has written. And you don't do those things if you love the work you are adapting more than you love your own work, or if you respect what you are adapting more than you respect yourself. The original series partially accidentally stumbled on a really deep story with all sorts of mythic elements in it, that partly by art and partly by luck ended up a coherent philosophical whole telling - or retelling - some of the great stories of the Western literary tradition in an evocative new setting. And its really by accident that the setting worked, because if you watch ANH closely you can tell he's really muddling his way through this at first. And it's I think fully appropriate in this thread to honor WEG for really beginning to think through the setting and try to make it coherent. 'The Force Awakens' is the anti-story of the original trilogy, and in making TFA the author rendered the original false, meaningless and hollow. It debases the original story. That's not a opinion. Opinions are things like, "I like the color blue." Opinions are things like, "The framing of this scene really works." That TFA destroys the original trilogy and its characters is not an opinion. We can demonstrate that point by point. Now you can enjoy that TFA debases the original story, and you can say, "I really like that the characters and themes of the original story were nihilified and overturned.", and that would be an opinion and you could defend it. But if you argue that they weren't, then you are just wrong. [/QUOTE]

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