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<blockquote data-quote="Celebrim" data-source="post: 7705802" data-attributes="member: 4937">Yes.&nbsp; They not only undid everything the heroes achieved, but they showed that the character growth the characters had apparently undergone was as transitory and fleeting as their victory.&nbsp; Not only did they undo all the character growth that the characters had apparently undergone, but they undid the philosophies that those characters had championed and risked their lives for.&nbsp; They had shown in fact that they had been and always had been wrong.&nbsp;&nbsp; What we had thought was personal and public victories, were actually defeats.&nbsp; What we actually learned from TFA was that we had no basis for hope, that hope had been meaningless.&nbsp; We learned that love was meaningless.&nbsp; We learned that we were just stuck in a meaningless cycle of violence which could not be won even for a moment.&nbsp;&nbsp; The republic had 1000 years of peace and prosperity before it collapsed into stasis and neglect.&nbsp; Our heroes couldn't manage even 10 years, and our Yoda style guru says, &quot;Oh well.&nbsp; That's what its all about really.&nbsp; There never is peace.&nbsp; Only the conflict.&nbsp; Just to be fighting is what we are fighting for.&quot;Bah.&nbsp; It makes me want to puke even thinking about it. But worst of all was the irrevocable and horrifically disrespectful treatment of the character of Leia.&nbsp; It's abhorrent what they did to her.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Celebrim, post: 7705802, member: 4937"] Yes. They not only undid everything the heroes achieved, but they showed that the character growth the characters had apparently undergone was as transitory and fleeting as their victory. Not only did they undo all the character growth that the characters had apparently undergone, but they undid the philosophies that those characters had championed and risked their lives for. They had shown in fact that they had been and always had been wrong. What we had thought was personal and public victories, were actually defeats. What we actually learned from TFA was that we had no basis for hope, that hope had been meaningless. We learned that love was meaningless. We learned that we were just stuck in a meaningless cycle of violence which could not be won even for a moment. The republic had 1000 years of peace and prosperity before it collapsed into stasis and neglect. Our heroes couldn't manage even 10 years, and our Yoda style guru says, "Oh well. That's what its all about really. There never is peace. Only the conflict. Just to be fighting is what we are fighting for." Bah. It makes me want to puke even thinking about it. But worst of all was the irrevocable and horrifically disrespectful treatment of the character of Leia. It's abhorrent what they did to her. [/QUOTE]

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