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<blockquote data-quote="Voadam" data-source="post: 8549585" data-attributes="member: 2209"><p>No? The going from 3 to 6 saves was the one point of his I did not address. <img src="data:image/gif;base64,R0lGODlhAQABAIAAAAAAAP///yH5BAEAAAAALAAAAAABAAEAAAIBRAA7" class="smilie smilie--sprite smilie--sprite1" alt=":)" title="Smile :)" loading="lazy" data-shortname=":)" /></p><p></p><p>It did not seem relevant in whether 5e is closer to 4e or 3e mechanically, both of the old ones had the same three non AC defenses so it seems a point for a different argument.</p><p></p><p></p><p>Why dragons have proficiency in dex and not int is an oddity.</p><p></p><p>However for comparison between 5e and 3.5 we have, Con +15, Wis, +10, Dex +7 to match up to 3e's fortitude, reflex, will.</p><p></p><p>So A big blue dragon has +8 more to save against a con save poisoning over dex save dodging a fireball. That seems significant and matches up to the expectations of big and tough and low dex.</p><p></p><p>Matching up int save spells to guessing high level int proficiency saves seems the oddity here.</p><p></p><p>So the 3.5 dragon also has +8 more to save against a fortitude save flesh to stone than a reflex save fireball. Which also matches expectations for the big tough dragon with a low dex.</p></blockquote><p></p>
[QUOTE="Voadam, post: 8549585, member: 2209"] No? The going from 3 to 6 saves was the one point of his I did not address. :) It did not seem relevant in whether 5e is closer to 4e or 3e mechanically, both of the old ones had the same three non AC defenses so it seems a point for a different argument. Why dragons have proficiency in dex and not int is an oddity. However for comparison between 5e and 3.5 we have, Con +15, Wis, +10, Dex +7 to match up to 3e's fortitude, reflex, will. So A big blue dragon has +8 more to save against a con save poisoning over dex save dodging a fireball. That seems significant and matches up to the expectations of big and tough and low dex. Matching up int save spells to guessing high level int proficiency saves seems the oddity here. So the 3.5 dragon also has +8 more to save against a fortitude save flesh to stone than a reflex save fireball. Which also matches expectations for the big tough dragon with a low dex. [/QUOTE]
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