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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8691761" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You guys keep repeating the same thing, and keep missing my point. Sure X% of the time a halfling won't fail at the action they tried to take. It is a small percentage of the time, less than 5%. But outside of rolling the d20 the halfling is no luckier than anyone else. Because the true &quot;luck&quot; that the player expeirences is their own luck at the table, and the narrative the DM enforces. And if the DM doesn't come in and say &quot;that arrow missed you because you are lucky&quot; or &quot;You find the journal because you are lucky&quot; and instead describes these actions exactly like they describe EVERYONE ELSE then the halfling is no luckier than anyone else.Huh. See, I read this, and I see some interesting things. For example, where do half of your proficiencies come from? Your class. Halflings don't have proficiency in stealth. Most of the time, your proficiency in stealth will come from your class, I can only think of a single race that gives it. Tabaxi.Halflings don't get expertise in stealth. Expertise in stealth is very rare. It is limited to.... class selection. Your Dex mod DOES affect your stealth... but it also no longer is limited to specific races, and it was never limited to halflings. Again, 17 races who got a bonus to dexterity. Now, stay with me here. Proficiency, Expertise, Dex Mod, and rolling the die. Even if we count rolling the die 50% of your ability to be stealthy comes from.... YOUR CLASS. The only thing the race does is give a bonus to your dex mod.... and it doesn't even do that anymore. And so, again, if you want to argue that halflings are &quot;The race that has stealth&quot; then you have to argue that for every race that can get a dex modifier. And currently, that is all of them. But, even more than that, between 50% and 66% of the stealthiness of a character comes from.... THEIR CLASS.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8691761, member: 6801228"] You guys keep repeating the same thing, and keep missing my point. Sure X% of the time a halfling won't fail at the action they tried to take. It is a small percentage of the time, less than 5%. But outside of rolling the d20 the halfling is no luckier than anyone else. Because the true "luck" that the player expeirences is their own luck at the table, and the narrative the DM enforces. And if the DM doesn't come in and say "that arrow missed you because you are lucky" or "You find the journal because you are lucky" and instead describes these actions exactly like they describe EVERYONE ELSE then the halfling is no luckier than anyone else. Huh. See, I read this, and I see some interesting things. For example, where do half of your proficiencies come from? Your class. Halflings don't have proficiency in stealth. Most of the time, your proficiency in stealth will come from your class, I can only think of a single race that gives it. Tabaxi. Halflings don't get expertise in stealth. Expertise in stealth is very rare. It is limited to.... class selection. Your Dex mod DOES affect your stealth... but it also no longer is limited to specific races, and it was never limited to halflings. Again, 17 races who got a bonus to dexterity. Now, stay with me here. Proficiency, Expertise, Dex Mod, and rolling the die. Even if we count rolling the die 50% of your ability to be stealthy comes from.... YOUR CLASS. The only thing the race does is give a bonus to your dex mod.... and it doesn't even do that anymore. And so, again, if you want to argue that halflings are "The race that has stealth" then you have to argue that for every race that can get a dex modifier. And currently, that is all of them. But, even more than that, between 50% and 66% of the stealthiness of a character comes from.... THEIR CLASS. [/QUOTE]

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