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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8692172" data-attributes="member: 6801228">You'd conceded it, then brought it back up to try and support your position. And you agree that class plays a bigger role, yet you insist on arguing with me, when that is my main point. shrug Really confusing me here why you are pushing forth ideas you don't seem to agree with.Actually, this is a perfect example of what I am talking about. If someone came up to me and said &quot;Dwarves are the race that wear armor&quot; I would respond to them exactly as I have been responding to &quot;halflings are the stealthy race&quot; First I would point out that it is not all dwarves, just like it is not all halflings that are particularly stealthy. Then I would point out that your class determines your armor wearing ability, just as your class determines how stealthy you are. Finally, I would point out that there are other races that get armor proficiency and therefore even if I conceded the previous two points, it still wouldn't make them &quot;particularly dwarvish&quot; to wear armor. Just while if I accept +2 dex = stealthy that doesn't make being stealthy &quot;particularly halfling&quot; Am I denying that Mountain dwarves have a trait that allows them to wear armor? No. In fact, that has nothing to do with my points at all.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8692172, member: 6801228"] You'd conceded it, then brought it back up to try and support your position. And you agree that class plays a bigger role, yet you insist on arguing with me, when that is my main point. [I]shrug[/I] Really confusing me here why you are pushing forth ideas you don't seem to agree with. Actually, this is a perfect example of what I am talking about. If someone came up to me and said "Dwarves are the race that wear armor" I would respond to them exactly as I have been responding to "halflings are the stealthy race" First I would point out that it is not all dwarves, just like it is not all halflings that are particularly stealthy. Then I would point out that your class determines your armor wearing ability, just as your class determines how stealthy you are. Finally, I would point out that there are other races that get armor proficiency and therefore even if I conceded the previous two points, it still wouldn't make them "particularly dwarvish" to wear armor. Just while if I accept +2 dex = stealthy that doesn't make being stealthy "particularly halfling" Am I denying that Mountain dwarves have a trait that allows them to wear armor? No. In fact, that has nothing to do with my points at all. [/QUOTE]

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