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<blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8692574" data-attributes="member: 6801228">Dwarven armor is supposed to be better qaulity, but that doesn't mean I've ever seen dwarves depicted as &quot;the race that wears armor&quot; because... humans and elves wear armor too. And Elven armor is also special and cool. They also blacksmith weapons and tools, but they aren't the only weapon or tool using race. But, aha, they don't reduce speed by wearing armor! That's different. But, hmmm, looking at the rules, most people don't have their speed reduced by wearing armor. My half-elf paladin wearing full plate never had his speed reduced. So where does this rule apply? Digging into it, your speed is reduced by 10 ft if you don't have the proper strength. AHA! So, it isn't that dwarves are particularly good with armor, it is that dwarves are stocky and strong and able to move well under heavy loads. THAT is something you could claim, but &quot;they wear armor&quot;... isn't.&quot;being better at a specific skill&quot; =/= &quot;is [Blank]&quot; An Owlin has a +2 dexterity, which helps them use daggers. That does not make Owlin &quot;Dagger Masters&quot; any more than it makes them &quot;stealthy&quot; Or maybe all Halflings are Duelists? After all, the rapier was a common dueling sword, and halflings are better with a rapier than... well, some races.I'm not particularly interested in a trip down 50 years of mechanics. Let's look at 5e, we can even say &quot;5e when the PHB was published&quot; Stout halflings got that dex and... that's about it for stealth abilities. This made them good as rogues... and fighters, and rangers, decent bards and barbarians, clerics, warlocks... You know, since Dexterity is kind of good for everyone, they could, in theory, have been anything. Now, yes, Lightfoots were very good rogues. As were wood elves, high elves, half-elves, humans, and Forest gnomes. But since I can keep making lists of everyone else, it seems like &quot;halflings are the stealthy race&quot; still is falling apart. You can make them stealthy, sure, but it doesn't seem to define their race in a way that isn't matched by (at a minimum) two of the other &quot;core&quot; races. Humans and Elves.</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Chaosmancer, post: 8692574, member: 6801228"] Dwarven armor is supposed to be better qaulity, but that doesn't mean I've ever seen dwarves depicted as "the race that wears armor" because... humans and elves wear armor too. And Elven armor is also special and cool. They also blacksmith weapons and tools, but they aren't the only weapon or tool using race. But, aha, they don't reduce speed by wearing armor! That's different. But, hmmm, looking at the rules, most people don't have their speed reduced by wearing armor. My half-elf paladin wearing full plate never had his speed reduced. So where does this rule apply? Digging into it, your speed is reduced by 10 ft if you don't have the proper strength. AHA! So, it isn't that dwarves are particularly good with armor, it is that dwarves are stocky and strong and able to move well under heavy loads. THAT is something you could claim, but "they wear armor"... isn't. "being better at a specific skill" =/= "is [Blank]" An Owlin has a +2 dexterity, which helps them use daggers. That does not make Owlin "Dagger Masters" any more than it makes them "stealthy" Or maybe all Halflings are Duelists? After all, the rapier was a common dueling sword, and halflings are better with a rapier than... well, some races. I'm not particularly interested in a trip down 50 years of mechanics. Let's look at 5e, we can even say "5e when the PHB was published" Stout halflings got that dex and... that's about it for stealth abilities. This made them good as rogues... and fighters, and rangers, decent bards and barbarians, clerics, warlocks... You know, since Dexterity is kind of good for everyone, they could, in theory, have been anything. Now, yes, Lightfoots were very good rogues. As were wood elves, high elves, half-elves, humans, and Forest gnomes. But since I can keep making lists of everyone else, it seems like "halflings are the stealthy race" still is falling apart. You can make them stealthy, sure, but it doesn't seem to define their race in a way that isn't matched by (at a minimum) two of the other "core" races. Humans and Elves. [/QUOTE]

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