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Message: <blockquote data-quote="Chaosmancer" data-source="post: 8692913" data-attributes="member: 6801228">What do you mean "So now we are going with"? Have you actually forgotten the start of this conversation? Here, let me remind you <a href="https://www.enworld.org/threads/the-trouble-with-halflings.689619/post-8690375" target="_blank">The Trouble with Halflings</a>"So halflings have to figure out what makes them unique." To which you responded "Like bravery stealthiness, and luck?"So... this entire time it has been about their unique characteristics. I mean, I know it was a whole three days ago, but why are you acting shocked that I haven't forgotten the premise?Right, it isn't like in the lore that inspired Mithril armor it stopped a troll's spear or anything. It was all about being stealthy, not impenetrable. Oh.. wait, that wasn't true. Also, yes, I brought up that humans can wear armor. The horror! It is almost like everyone wears armor? And it isn't special to dwarves? Which was my point? I mean, only three classes in the entire game don't get some form of armor, and only three more don't get medium armor. So "wears armor" is pretty common for just about every single race in the game. But sure, go on a diatribe about how since humans can be anything no one can be unique, I'm sure that's the correct response to "dwarves aren't known for wearing armor, because everyone wears armor"Right, because we can definetly find somewhere that it says that Dwarves can wear armor because they are good at making armor. And therefore Dwarves are the armored race. No other race does armor like them... except for every race. Because I've never seen a single person put on heavy armor without the strength to back it up, so it has literally never once come up. And since dwarves are unique in their ability to wear armor, then halflings are unique in their ability to be stealthy, because that was your original claim.And now we are bringing up something from... a year ago? I don't even know when this was anymore. So yeah, can't win the argument we are having now, so you are trying to bring up old things I said that no one is going to have time look into, and make me argue that instead of defending your own claim. You said halflings were uniquely stealthy. We have since narrowed that down. Stout, Lotusden, Ghostwise, Mark of Hospitality, and Mark of Healing halflings are not particularly stealthy beyond their bonus to dexterity. Lightfoot halflings can be argued to be particularly stealthy. We then hit a crossroads, down one road we say that halflings are uniquely stealthy because of their dexterity bonus. The same as the other 17 or so races that get dexterity bonuses would therefore be uniquely stealthy. The other road is that halflings are not uniquely stealthy, lightfoots may be, but halflings as a whole are not uniquely stealthy. As for why I am pushing back on this? Because this subject comes up fairly often. And every time it is the same thing. Halflings are declared to have their place because they are small, they are stealthy, they are brave and they are lucky. And then you look at something like the Goblin. The goblin is small. The goblin can bonus action hide, making it quite noticeably stealthy. The goblin adventurer would be brave. And the less said about luck the better. And suddenly you realize... well, what else is there to halflings? There is more to goblins after all, they have more lore and deeper roots in fantasy than almost any other fantasy race in existence. They are equal to elves and dwarves, if not greater in terms of their culture impact. But people love halflings, they want to keep playing halflings... and yet they refuse to even consider the possibility that there may be a problem. They just repeat the mantra. Small, stealthy, lucky, brave. Like it is some sort of magical chant that fixes everything. I'm not against halflings, but they are fading as a concept, because people can't let go of them long enough to wonder if they might need something more. You want me to talk about gnomes? Gnomes are doing fine in terms of the lore. People may not like them, but they are very recognizable, and they offer something interesting to any setting that chooses to use them. Decry that all you want, in the most recent gnome thread I listed multiple books and stories that used them. But I haven't come across halflings nearly as often. Outside of tolkien I can only think of three things, two webcomics and the comic I linked earlier, all deeply rooted in DnD. Most... altering halflings to be something else. So yeah, I'm pushing back. Your mantra isn't working, it isn't convincing, and you can't seem to even back it up beyond restating it.</blockquote>

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