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<blockquote data-quote="Cadence" data-source="post: 8693029" data-attributes="member: 6701124">The highest human height in the table is 6'4&quot;.&nbsp; That's the table with only 19 different human heights in it that is explicitly designed to give the players something to use if they don't want to just pick their height.&nbsp; It doesn't say that that's the range they actually take - which seems clear from the description of humans where it says they can be &quot;well over 6' tall&quot;.&nbsp;&nbsp; (It should certainly be criticized for not using similar language on the other end of the distribution where the &quot;barely 5'&quot; is clearly exclusionary).One website gives the the 5th percentile of heights for women in the US/Europe from 1998-2003 as 4'11&quot; and the 95th percentile for men as 6'2&quot;, for example.&nbsp; A random table containing only 19 values that spreads out to just past the 5th and 95th percentiles doesn't feel that far off.&nbsp; It would be better to use a table catching the rest of the world population - but a group comprising 0.00625% of the worlds population at one tail of the height distribution, for example, won't appear at all unless one uses a much finer grain.&nbsp;If the complaint is that it misses some of humanity with descriptors that would be statistical extrema, then does the given range need to go from 21.5in (54.6cm) a to 8' 11&quot; (2.7m) and 4.7lb (2.13kg) up to 1,400 lbs (635kg).&nbsp;&nbsp; If the goal is to describe the entire range of humanity (which we certainly should allow the players to partake in!!), should the given descriptions and random tables mention that humanity certainly includes those with tails (at least 40 cases), conjoined twins (1 in 200k), those with ovotestes (1 in 20k), and those with polydactyly (1 in 1k), etc...&nbsp;&nbsp; Where are you drawing your line as to which parts of human variability should be included and excluded from the default descriptions?&nbsp; How many pages do we get for describing humans?If the complaint is that overlapping distributions make things the same species, then I assume hill and stone giants are human as well, with fire, ice, cloud, and storm ones being genasi or something if we find some other group in the middle in some setting?</blockquote>

[QUOTE="Cadence, post: 8693029, member: 6701124"] The highest human height in the table is 6'4". That's the table with only 19 different human heights in it that is explicitly designed to give the players something to use if they don't want to just pick their height. It doesn't say that that's the range they actually take - which seems clear from the description of humans where it says they can be "well over 6' tall". (It should certainly be criticized for not using similar language on the other end of the distribution where the "barely 5'" is clearly exclusionary). One website gives the the 5th percentile of heights for women in the US/Europe from 1998-2003 as 4'11" and the 95th percentile for men as 6'2", for example. A random table containing only 19 values that spreads out to just past the 5th and 95th percentiles doesn't feel that far off. It would be better to use a table catching the rest of the world population - but a group comprising 0.00625% of the worlds population at one tail of the height distribution, for example, won't appear at all unless one uses a much finer grain. If the complaint is that it misses some of humanity with descriptors that would be statistical extrema, then does the given range need to go from 21.5in (54.6cm) a to 8' 11" (2.7m) and 4.7lb (2.13kg) up to 1,400 lbs (635kg). If the goal is to describe the entire range of humanity (which we certainly should allow the players to partake in!!), should the given descriptions and random tables mention that humanity certainly includes those with tails (at least 40 cases), conjoined twins (1 in 200k), those with ovotestes (1 in 20k), and those with polydactyly (1 in 1k), etc... Where are you drawing your line as to which parts of human variability should be included and excluded from the default descriptions? How many pages do we get for describing humans? If the complaint is that overlapping distributions make things the same species, then I assume hill and stone giants are human as well, with fire, ice, cloud, and storm ones being genasi or something if we find some other group in the middle in some setting? [/QUOTE]

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